the gates of the underworld or hell open?

[Moloch]

Ah, but a community is only as strong as its weakest member. So, by strengthening the minds of these young people we are actually doing everyone a favor. Plus, I personally would rather hold intelligent conversations about things; as opposed to the usual tripe about which skinny-minny-boy-toy is cuter or whatever else most kids want to talk about on the internet these days.

By the way, despite our differences, it is good to see that you still post here occasionally. Too many of the Great Old Ones are gone now.

[confused_mystery]

ok then i'm completely off XD

and people are confused with magic and myth, why not add some gasoline?  it's not magic, realities are just merging...poor little witches. 

well i'd say its(referring to magic and myth) just another thing that people want to be hyped up 'bout but don't really know what it is because they only know what is portrayed on tv, books, and movies.

[Moloch]

Actually, there was more to what she said than is apparent, CM. You see, on this Forum, we can and do sling insults. However, many of us learned years ago how to do it so subtly that only the very intelligent would get it. What she said was actually a jab at me, which is why I mentioned her and her wet blanket, etc.

In fact, despite her completely illogical presence here, she is still one of only a few christians I respect at all because she tends to not proselytize and she's quite intelligent. You can learn a lot from people like her.

[confused_mystery]

ah ok well i didn't notice that... now i kinda feel a little stupid.... eh just a wrong interpretation or not..

[Moloch]

No need to feel stupid, CM. Just bare in mind that you're dealing with two of the oldest member here that are still actively posting. As such, we often have little discussions inside each of our posts that only those with a lot of time invested here can follow. In fact, Loki and Markus are probably the only two active members here with more time on this Forum than I have, if that tells you anything.

So, if you're ever unsure of how to respond to something, shoot someone a PM, and we'll answer as best we can, if we can. This is also true of anyone else on this Forum. Before you get offended and launch into a diatribe which will almost certainly get one of us to lay down a blistering inferno, ASK. Many misunderstandings can be prevented by following this simple advice.

Now, we should get back to topic before one of the staff tells us to do so.

[Tronth]

I am in compliance with Moloch if you dont understand something dont feel unintelligent just ask this site is for learning just as much as it is discussing. Alot of us on here are very intellegent in certain areas in others not so well so if one of us cant answer the question we can find someone who can.

[jordyn]

Ah, but a community is only as strong as its weakest member. So, by strengthening the minds of these young people we are actually doing everyone a favor. Plus, I personally would rather hold intelligent conversations about things; as opposed to the usual tripe about which skinny-minny-boy-toy is cuter or whatever else most kids want to talk about on the internet these days.

By the way, despite our differences, it is good to see that you still post here occasionally. Too many of the Great Old Ones are gone now.

some of the topics just really wrile me up, i'm too old for glam now.    I'm a happy person that prays quietly to my God, thinks way too much and tries to survive in the real world as a perpetual student that witnesses magnificent things.

supernatural brightens my day frequently to, they did this wonderful burst where a gateway to hell was broken open, my favorite episode was when they encountered the seven deadly sins...three of which are my personal tests, wrath, greed and gluttony are not them. 

bloody mallory was probably the most outrageous movie i've ever seen with a gateway to hell, the gate was just awesom, but that was more like a gate to ancient sumeria.  *eeks*

but in reality, those gates were opened by pandora and we've not been able to get them back in, it's nothing new.

[confused_mystery]

I am in compliance with Moloch if you dont understand something dont feel unintelligent just ask this site is for learning just as much as it is discussing. Alot of us on here are very intellegent in certain areas in others not so well so if one of us cant answer the question we can find someone who can.

ah ok well sometimes i'm kinda scared to ask XD, even though by now its gone through that i'm not a twilight freak/vampire wanna bee or anything like that i still don't wanna get that impression again XD but just to say i'm not into twilight i think its a waste of time and creepy as hell that its all basically the author's sex fantasy (she revealed it in an interview- those weren't the exact words and thats what my friend(also hates twilight) told me).


so if there really isn't a gate to the underworld/hell then where in the hell did the idea come from?  oh wait.... let me guess the bible or somewhere down the line when it was orally passed down some1 decided to be a smart ass and add that  there are gates of the underworld/hell 

[Moloch]

Hell, the place, is named after Hel, both the place and godess of the same name in Norse Mythology. It was introduced into the catholic mythos to try to both convert the Vikings, and to have a wonderfully terrifying abode for sinners.

The Gates of Hell are based on the Gates into Hades... and were incorporated for the same reason.

[jordyn]

damn those greeks and romans...but yeah the idea of hell basically comes from greco roman religions, the bible never goes into depth about hell and for the israelites, ghenna was comparible to a life without God, that would be most akin to any biblical hell;  left to burn in a pit made to dispose of contagious garbge and diseased bodies.

[confused_mystery]

ah well i've questioned once that the  idea of hell didn't originate from catholicism, i mean its always sounded too much like the underworld (greek mythology) but wait, the bible's version of hell -> that hell didn't originate from catholicism ?
well of

ah ok well that makes sense gates of hell = gates of the underworld 

although i never knew that the christian version of hell was named after a godess from norse mythology XD

[oldbill4823]

I am not sure where the idea abouts gates of hell and the underworld actually come from but i can say that there are experiences available to us that  do seem to be described quite well by this myth.

Certain non western traditions describe 'levels beneath' this world that can be sensed and even entered.  Perhaps the easiest way to sense them is when we go out into the ocean or other large bodies of water and start to feel the vastness beneath. If you get a sense of utter dread and irrational fear then this is one of the entry ways into the levels beneath that you are starting to momentarily feel.  (There are things that we can do with water that enable us to use it as a gateway.)

Following certain practices i have intentionally have gazed into these depths. I can attest that the pull that is exerted on the pereciever is horrendous. farks you up for days afterwards. The feelings of what you witness stays with you for years as a background mood when merely remembering anything associated with it.

Beyond merely gazing I did manage to get to enter one of these levels beneath  once. I cant say that the entry was much like a gate, more like an extreme pressure all over the body and bizzarely something akin to the feeling of soap being extruded through the surface of the skin that is somehow connected to entering  the complete new world environment that i started to see.  (I can only describe the experience not explain it ok)
The following moments were then like being trapped up against a wall that would not let see the world i had come from only the world in front of me. There are definate sensorial transitions of passing from one world to another. They are experienced completely, at total body level. The dread and terror i experienced at realising i was out of this world layer is difficult to convey in words.


When people talk about hell or the underworld i find that their mythical  ideas fit my actual experience rather well in many ways.

[confused_mystery]

ok so when u sense a gateway then what else, do u need other things to help open up this gateway ?

[oldbill4823]

CM i dont think i will even waste my time trying to explain this to you.
As far as i have seen you are lazy and have no real interest in learning anything that is not reduced to cartoon like levels.
I dont believe you really want to know the answer.
You are only after a bit of mental entertainment that will agree with the other nonsense stories in your head.
Besides, you are always searching to feel hurt and offended by anything resembling real communication.

[confused_mystery]

CM i dont think i will even waste my time trying to explain this to you.
As far as i have seen you are lazy and have no real interest in learning anything that is not reduced to cartoon like levels.
I dont believe you really want to know the answer.
You are only after a bit of mental entertainment that will agree with the other nonsense stories in your head.
Besides, you are always searching to feel hurt and offended by anything resembling real communication.

 
i do but then when i have people to talk to about this and want to ask questions and learn more they don't talk to me anymore.
and i want to learn to learn the real stuff and not what you said, once i have my own car thats when i'll go to the library and do research myself, i just don't really look on the internet i mean God knows whats true and anyways i think i would get more out of finding these things out MYSELF because then if i just rely on other people for the information then THATS being lazy. so that way by the time i'm filled of that knowledge i can actually contribute in the topics, did you ever think of that ? no of course because you only see me as a stupid lazy ass person and not really thinking deeper than that when the truth is there!
i'm not always searching to feel hurt and offended  by anything close to real communication i just want to talk to people and thats just my negativity  if that wasn't picked up which i'm surprised because out of all people you should know that since for a brief time when i first came to monstrous you and i would talk about these things and you got to know me personally.  so don't even think you've got me down as the type of person thats lazy and stupid because i'm not at all !!