Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties

[jordyn]

well i never said there werent any female druids. all i said is that i heve yet to meet one and that as far as i knew it was male only, that doesnt make it a secret society. I mean look at at any story you have ever herd from the old days, the knights for example, all males, why? Because they were seen as stronger and in charge. Hell take the storys from the bible, almost 90% of the bible was written by man about man. It was very common back in those days to be a just male thing. there very well could be female druids i dont know, im not taking everything my grandfather told me to be set in stone he could be just as wrong as any of us. and druids dont have to have children with other druids to keep the lineage going. how do you think the first druids would have kept the line going, not other druids just poeple they fell in love with.

in defense of the bible, women have had some important and very crucial calls to service to the Lord, from yael given the honor of killing sisra, ruth, chosen to start the line of Jesus, haddassah saving the entire jewish race and even mary praised for neglecting her "womanly duties" realizing the importance of learning and spending time at a teacher's feet is preferred to material impressions for society, even hannah breaking the temple taboo to pray for a child and being blessed for her, defiance of priestly rules set by a patriarchial society.

Woman have always been chosen by God to do marvelous things, in this case it's the greeks fault that females lost ancient glory.

[Tronth]

  Tronth

I have told you many times that my "opinions" are not based on any fact.

  This right here tells me something.  It tells me that you wish to go your way on whim and faith, that is just as foolish as anyother religious person.  You want to know the difference between a serious religious practitioner and a simple sheep?  The serious practitioner not only follows their faith, they look into it and find out the facts!  That way when you are asked questions you can stand steadfastly, Jordyn so far has proven this point time and again.

  (I am not either for or against her statements, but at least she does not go around stating my opinions are not based on facts.  First off, opinions are not facts, so this means your opinion is less than a fact.  Yes, this is how I would like to stand among my peers)

  Also you gave us this tid bit of intelligence.

 

as far as i knew it was male only

  When one defends their opinions they must never use such turns of phase for it further destroys your already percarious position.  You were vouched for by a member of good standing and I for one expected better from you because of this.  So far I see nothing spectacular and am dissappointed.  My advice is to work harder............immediately.  Do not continue to further dissappoint me.

  One last thing.  Did you not ever learn how to phrase you opinions in such a way as to not piss off the female populace of a community?  Nature may have set the standard, but even I have to admit that mankind has moved beyond the suppression of the female half of our world.  Hell, some are even better than men so...................think about what you say before you say it. 

imean no offense by anything i say. if it comes out harshley or wrong i apologize i am not here to hurt anyones feelings or piss someone off im am usually at work replying to these forums so i dont have much time to think about how to answer things so i just go with the words that flow into my head. sometimes they are great others well.. you know

[Tronth]

There is obviously no way to convince the moajority that my theory based on lineage is even remotely true, why this is i dont really know. I have noticed a few things though throughout this debate. which i pretty much saw from the begining. almost everyone on here, and i say almost, uses theoritical based facts to prove themselves right. Which is not wrong to do, just like my beliefs the beliefs of others could be right. But this proves my point as to my lineage which has been traced back a long way, farther than the 19th century, whether or not the info passed down to me is false made up or just straight wrong, it is now based on theory, so having said that who in this debate is right and who is wrong? Everyone. And the only reason i say this is because almost everyone tried to enforce there theories on my to tell me i was wrong. Have your theories caused me to think about what could be, yes, will that stop me from taking what i got out of my lineage and using still. no. I truely enjoyed this debate it taught me alot about anyone who replied. And i have also found out that battles must be picked and chosen and backed up with alot of theories and in my case puns.

[Moloch]

There is obviously no way to convince the moajority that my theory based on lineage is even remotely true, why this is i dont really know. I have noticed a few things though throughout this debate. which i pretty much saw from the begining. almost everyone on here, and i say almost, uses theoritical based facts to prove themselves right. Which is not wrong to do, just like my beliefs the beliefs of others could be right. But this proves my point as to my lineage which has been traced back a long way, farther than the 19th century, whether or not the info passed down to me is false made up or just straight wrong, it is now based on theory, so having said that who in this debate is right and who is wrong? Everyone. And the only reason i say this is because almost everyone tried to enforce there theories on my to tell me i was wrong. Have your theories caused me to think about what could be, yes, will that stop me from taking what i got out of my lineage and using still. no. I truely enjoyed this debate it taught me alot about anyone who replied. And i have also found out that battles must be picked and chosen and backed up with alot of theories and in my case puns.

First off, if you want to be taken seriously in an intelligent debate, you have to prove your intelligence. On that note, appearances count for a lot; so learn how to spell and use proper grammar and punctuation, or at least the spell and grammar check features on most browsers and computer word processors. Further, it helps to build a reputation for knowing what you're talking about before you start relying on your opinion to back up what you say. I nearly always state my opinion and regurgitate facts I learned long years ago; without bothering to post links or direct quotes.

How do I get away with this? I get away with it because of my reputation. On those, now rare, occasions where someone bothers to question me, I bury them with links and quotes backing up my opinion. In this way, it makes it troublesome to fact check a person who obviously knows their material.

I'm also known to be unrestricted in my consumption of knowledge and can speak intelligently on nearly any topic. Because of all of these things, many people respect me and seek my opinion on widely varied topics.

Now, on the subject of your lineage, which is spurious at best due to the media it is presented in, many people can trace their lineage back to biblical times; some can even trace it back to Adam and Eve. So, saying you can trace your lineage in this fashion is next to meaningless.

I suggest you start paying attention and learning; the real monsters here don't take disappointment well.

[Tronth]

As i have stated before there is no way for me to prove myself right... that was not the intention of this debate. If i seem unintelligible then i apologize for my idiocy, as for reputation no offense but I'm not seeking one, I'm very reputable in my area and well known all over southern Ohio (my origin of birth). I understand that my words are meaningless in the eyes of people who don't know me and have never actually spoken to me. But i can say that I do research alot of different things, I'm not the most valued source for the things I study but i will get there. I still have 7 years of training before i am considered remotely close to being a full druid. In that seven years time i can and will gain vast amounts of knowledge, and will challenge the knowledge of others to further my own education as well as theirs. I do greatly appreciate your advice and i do look forward to challenging you all to a battle of wits. This criticism will help further motivate me to give more than my best. Thank you

[Raziel]

Cool, now shake hands and be friends.

He has his views regardless of how we percieve them, they harm none(except the sensibilities of some of us) Alright? calm down and lets 

[jordyn]

There is obviously no way to convince the moajority that my theory based on lineage is even remotely true, why this is i dont really know. I have noticed a few things though throughout this debate. which i pretty much saw from the begining. almost everyone on here, and i say almost, uses theoritical based facts to prove themselves right. Which is not wrong to do, just like my beliefs the beliefs of others could be right. But this proves my point as to my lineage which has been traced back a long way, farther than the 19th century, whether or not the info passed down to me is false made up or just straight wrong, it is now based on theory, so having said that who in this debate is right and who is wrong? Everyone. And the only reason i say this is because almost everyone tried to enforce there theories on my to tell me i was wrong. Have your theories caused me to think about what could be, yes, will that stop me from taking what i got out of my lineage and using still. no. I truely enjoyed this debate it taught me alot about anyone who replied. And i have also found out that battles must be picked and chosen and backed up with alot of theories and in my case puns.

First off, if you want to be taken seriously in an intelligent debate, you have to prove your intelligence. On that note, appearances count for a lot; so learn how to spell and use proper grammar and punctuation, or at least the spell and grammar check features on most browsers and computer word processors. Further, it helps to build a reputation for knowing what you're talking about before you start relying on your opinion to back up what you say. I nearly always state my opinion and regurgitate facts I learned long years ago; without bothering to post links or direct quotes.

How do I get away with this? I get away with it because of my reputation. On those, now rare, occasions where someone bothers to question me, I bury them with links and quotes backing up my opinion. In this way, it makes it troublesome to fact check a person who obviously knows their material.

I'm also known to be unrestricted in my consumption of knowledge and can speak intelligently on nearly any topic. Because of all of these things, many people respect me and seek my opinion on widely varied topics.

Now, on the subject of your lineage, which is spurious at best due to the media it is presented in, many people can trace their lineage back to biblical times; some can even trace it back to Adam and Eve. So, saying you can trace your lineage in this fashion is next to meaningless.

I suggest you start paying attention and learning; the real monsters here don't take disappointment well.

my dad's side was traced back to ancient gaul!   my mother's side all comes from the polish/bohemian area with a questionable  religious history emmigrating out of nazi austria.

[Moloch]

I'm very reputable in my area and well known all over southern Ohio (my origin of birth).

Hitler was well known and very reputable in Nazi Germany too....

Mussolini was reputable and well known in Fascist Italy...

Need I go on, or do you get the point? Being well known and reputable is not enough. You also must prove and be able to prove that you are correct. So far you have failed to do that and instead of rising to the challenge you resort to logic tricks, and faulty ones at that. If you can't carry on a good debate and back up your statements then please stop wasting our time with baseless opinions and faux facts. We have enough people who try to role play on here without adding it to other areas of the forum.

[Tronth]

Roleplay? Ouch I'm very hurt by that statement. You call me a ignorant and wrong and then on top of that you call me a liar... wow i really have no clue what to say.

[confused_mystery]

wow although that is a major insult, it kinda seems that moloch was holding back a bit

[matthew321]

Tronth reflect carefully on your posts. You will then find why you are being found less correct then you could of been.

I was tempted to join in but I refrained and let others handle this. However I feel I should help you understand that you are being found less correct in your manner of presentation.

Please use the posts of other members to determine why you are being found less correct. Once you determine why you are less correct please go and make your self more correct.

I am barley grasping your defense but I do understand what you are trying to get at a little. However presentation is everything no matter how right you are.

Notice not once I said "wrong" that would be an insult to his manhood. However the use of less correct should be found less insulting.

[Moloch]

Bah. I've been as gentle as I know how up to this point. He can either get the pont and move on, or have the point thrust upon him, and then be moved along.

My lack of patience on these matters is famous, Tronth. In your case, because you were somewhat respected by others whom I respect, I have digressed. I will not any longer.

You say I have insulted you by being truthful with you. I think in the future you will find my truth far more brutal than you had thought possible.

[Raziel]

close the thread to prevent further smacketh down.

[Moloch]

Good idea. Seconded... due to feelings of mercy... and fatigue. Mornings suck.

[confused_mystery]

ah well it would of been nice to see moloch fully lash out but then the moderators wouldn't be too happy 'bout that...
and u're not the only one that doesn't like mornings XD.