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"Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« on: May 17, 2010, 11:37:35 AM »
Alright we have all played a game or read a book or watched a movie that uses a spell called "turn undead".
For anyone not familiar it affects only undead creatures such as skeletons or zombies. It turns them away from the caster of the spell and causes them to flee. However it can also cause damage to undead and make them disinagrate (depending on your charisma, only the cool kids who play dungeons and dragons will get that one  8-) )

Anyway I am wondering is such a feat possible, to cast a spell that repels and or damages all the undead around you? I am wondering the mechanics of the spell as well such as possible spell components, seals, verbal articulations, hand gestures, meatsheilds etc.

I am asking this because i believe this would be VERY useful in any possible undead cataclysm that may or may not befall upon a supermarket near me.
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 11:43:17 AM »
I have no idea, the only dead I can think of that might be able to haunt us are ghosts and not long deceased corpses and I doubt that will ever happen...
but if you would find a way to turn them, please let me know
ps: I know of this spell from D&D (and NWN, which is D&D based) ^^
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2010, 11:54:55 AM »
I am glad there are other cool kids here who understand. I love NWN and D&D, they give everything in life a rule. It is a very interesting system actually.

But I will find this spell somewhere, even if I must create it! It is just too cool and useful. The rules of D&D regarding this spell is that it depends on my charisma (ability to speak well and with appeal as well as physical sexiness) Then the actual spell or power is gained through a deity of good nature.

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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2010, 01:31:49 PM »
Ghosts aren't undead. They are just dead. As for a spell? I don't know. Probably some protection spells.
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2010, 12:59:22 AM »
say... I just tought of smth... in D&D if you use a healing spell on undead they die... couldn't we use massive healing circles to create a turn undead spell? those that don't die immediatly will turn around because it hurts too much?
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2010, 02:59:18 PM »
Well to be honest the only way to know is to try. The healing in theory may work but in another theory it won't work. So it is a 50/50 shot I guess.

The spell I hoped would work like this (for turn undead not healing) You would have the energy extend out of your hand and shoot it out. But it would be close range and have a blast radius. So as of right now I am getting closer to the theory of doing it. I'll post the mechanics of this when I work all the theoretical bugs out.... Theoretically of course lol

I have heard of things that are supposedly effective against undead. Silver, orgone (some sort of combination or copper,quarts,fiberglass resin and aluminum), and of course bullets as well as decapitation of head.

These may be spell components required for such a feat. But as I said i'll post when I figure out blues' clues.
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 05:21:37 PM »
...or you can make it easy and create a sigil in which you instill the intention that anyone carrying it is immuned to the power of whatever is undead.

You can also activate it so that when it is pulled out, whatever undead it falls upon or faces, is destroyed. I haven't used one with an undead per say, but have had the circumstance to use one in a similar instance with something I created and perhaps shouldn't have the way I did. (ahh, inexperience bites you in the !@#$ every time). Thankfully I was guided to make this sigil before I started. Now that I think of it, it may have been destined for me mess this one up in order for me to learn (and what a freakin learning)

Point is....that now I always create an out, or protection or vanquishing sigil (that's just what I call it). sigils just seem to work for me. If I could use it in that circumstance, something similar might work for what you are asking after. Mine was specific to my situation, so yours would need to be, and usually does need to be specific anyway.

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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2010, 12:40:40 AM »
the undead well lets look at this many people have seen the church attempt to exorcise spirits this merely means to drive the soul mor spirit out of the body which is one way to kill
them as far as keeping them away im surprised Ladygriffin why you didnt mention wards which are magical barrieres made of condensed ether or auric force used to repel things or protect from spells and the like.
Likewise many holy objects which are the focal point of any religion eminate a sanctified aura which may act as a ward thus giving us the use of the name of the archangel micheal in the triangle of the art and the cross to reflect vampires. Although im very interested in the possibility of death through healing spells because a undead person is metaphorically a spirit this case well speak of the astral self or mental self in a body or physical self without the active energy of spiritual force or power or the individual connection with god and life or the two parts of the soul in my paradighm we use often see undead beings such as "zombies" (in this case not true voodoo zombis which are people hypnotized with a amalgamum of spells and poisons but the animated dead) which im using as the focus for this response we use the egyptian embodiement of he soul but much more simplified two the ka or spiritual power i.e magic and the aura which is controlled by your ba or mind, consciencesness. anyways back to topic if a zombie is just a mind in a body a healing spell that forces spirit into that equation would expel the conscincesness posessing the dead body because posessor spirits rarely have there own spiritual power and cant cope with such which is why they often attack the already dead or weak living.

However ghosts can be easily repelled with many charms, wards, circles, bibles, insense, spells there not all that ahrd to deal with as long as you keep in mind that sense there human and dead they have no right to be on this plane of existence, I peronally find smoking out places with a mixture of blessed olive oil garlic and frankincense works exceedingly well i personally think just burning frankincense is enough and practically overkill. I dont necessarily have a vanquishing sigil although i like the idea ive used binding spells specifically for ghosts to remind them that that there dead and fool them into being unable to move. As far as charisma goes it is very important for beginning witches how much spirits like you and or wish to help you can be a make or brake factor which is why many of us have familiars they are essentially are spiritual representatives showing our power and our ability to commune with the immaterial by the way many animals can protect or detect spirits especially dogs and cats the most powerful common familiar.
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2010, 12:37:44 PM »
  We are all assuming that the zombies in question are created magically, and to my knowledge the only magic ever used to create zombies is though zombie powder.  This powder does not necessarily create an undead zombie, but rather puts the victim into a near catatonic state.  Saying that the only "Turn Undead" spell I know of would be cold hard lead followed by a nice, but very intense fire.  After all, I would rather destroy such a thing as opposed to "Chasing" it away to allow it the chance to interfer with me again at some future point.
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2010, 03:00:37 PM »
happens to the best of us ladygriffin :wink:
and yes im mostly familiar with zombescreated with zombis powder but im going to venture into guessing that he is speaking of re animated corpses  because
if they were created by zombis in all cases then they would not be much of a worry do to the fact that there reaction time thought capability and movement would all be severely hampered a swift punch could
probably do them in which is why zombis are best used for monotonous work. hmmmm but if hes looking for a weapon he could use anything thats wet with a holy water. anything driven through with spelled coffin nails. or better yet anything and i meananything made with blessed bones can maim and kill the reanimated
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2010, 03:47:14 PM »
  Still partial to fire, the colors are pretty.
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Re: "Turn undead" is that a myth or not?
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2010, 08:33:37 PM »
 :-D
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