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Monstrous Café => Mayday! Mayday! => Topic started by: Shin Natsume on June 12, 2006, 03:06:32 PM
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Hum, this all took place somewhere in March, this year.
It was night, like two-three'o clock, it was quite dark outside and everyone in my house were in deep sleep, exept me.
I heard a weird scrapping noise outside of our house (window was a little opened), it was like a dog who wanted to dig into wall, like...really agressive and loud, it lasted for 8-10 seconds or so, then it stopped, I wasn't afraid at first, i actually thought it was a random dog, but then i heard the same noise a bit weaker - it was on the other side of our house, i quickly got out of bed and runned next to the window where i heard it (My bedroom is on second floor - the noise was coming near first floor windows or walls) it was the same noise. I was a bit frightened because that 'dog' was on the other side of the house within few seconds, while it should take like 20-30 second's.
That's not all, i thought "what the heck, screw the dog's" and decided to go to sleep, but then i heard it - some kind of voice, it was so low and fast it woke me up completly, i thought are there thief's or something outside, but then i heard the same scrapping noise on roof, and that's where i got really scared, the voice was gone, but the scrapping noise from roof was still on, it had lasted nearly a whole minute, i was really scared at that moment.
When it stopped, i was expecting that noise again, but it didn't come, i decided to check - i opened the window (the forest in near - like maybe 5-10 meter's away from our house) it was dark outside and very cold, everything was snowy, and as the snow was white, i did saw something, i swear on my life there was something small...like maybe 30-40cm's tall, some creature, moving rapidly fast to wood's, he was black and didn't leave any traces as it moved. I did not sleep well for couple next day's and nobody in my family beleived me, even when i showed them the marking's on wall (i still haven't checked the roof) they sayd i did them to make up something.
Also, is it normal to see some weird shadows sometimes?
Even though there's nobody but you, but you can see from the sun, that you're not alone, some shadows move around you (sometimes they are huge)
So yes, this is the latest weird thing happened to me, i still sometimes think about it.
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Also, is it normal to see some weird shadows sometimes?
Even though there's nobody but you, but you can see from the sun, that you're not alone, some shadows move around you (sometimes they are huge)
i dont know if its normal, but I do know people see them a lot latelly, if that comforts you....
About that first thing.....?......?........?..........
my guess is that it came from the woods......clever me......huh?
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Sounds like Chupacabra to me, but its black... Hmmm...
Instead of describing could you do a quick sketch on artpad for us to get a better idea? (http://artpad.art.com/artpad/painter/)
No need for background, just the creature.
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~I think u should quit this "chupacabra" stuff , I lived enough time on mexico and worked in the government to watch this politicians fake... They just make up this "myth" in order to distract people`s attention ; so they could keep mugging the crew! ...I just hate politycs!
~the fallen~ :cry:
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~I think u should quit this "chupacabra" stuff , I lived enough time on mexico and worked in the government to watch this politicians fake... They just make up this "myth" in order to distract people`s attention ; so they could keep mugging the crew! ...I just hate politycs!
~the fallen~ :cry:
Im really interested how did you relate that??? :|
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~Let me explain mon chèrie , it is known that many countries face this global matter , but i'm not taking my words so long (I don't want to suffocate you with a speech) so I'm talking 'bout people running on streets killing each other for cash , which is pretty sad to me 'cause people it's not supposed to die such an awful way , this is ¨one¨ among many bizarre attempts that I watched , Governments with stucked economy business may seek for cheap distractions , in order to get people eyes staring at ¨imaginary¨creatures... I can't tell more , I don't really want to stop , but there are things I swore to keep for myself , 'cause even this flesh and bone writing at you could be killed , please no more politics... :cry:
~the fallen~
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Ok, asside with politics, I agree with that, it is only that I thought that the legend of El chupacabra is older than that...was I so wrong, or what?
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It is much older than that, but it started up again in the 1990s.
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~...oh... :| now I'm all confused... , maybe are those beautiful eyes staring at me from Nina's Avatar , that make me remember how bad I lost that love of mine... of course... those beautiful blue eyes... no matter what I do , these human feelings won't let this body! :cry:
~the fallen~
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ehhhh, now you got me confused, and blush..... :oops:
Im sorry for your loss. :-(
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~Once again I'd like to know what are we solving here! :? Well either way it's kinda cool!
~the fallen~
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:focus:
I still dont think its chupacabra......
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~Mon Dieu!! chupacabra is coming <^> WATCH THE GOATS!! *<:)!!!!
~the fallen~
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how did we go from the current issue, to the goat-sucker? anyway, it may have been a leprichon, where abouts do you live, Shin?
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Alphamale, its not a "leprichon". I would know. Leperchauns are humanoid Faeries, not doggy monster things. Something like that sounds more like a Chupacabra like critter.
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My spelling sucks today, sorry, and it was just a random guess, buecuase i could think of no others (besides, why would the goat sucker try to break into someone's house) hmm.... could it possably be demonic?
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He said snow, so it might have been trying to get out of the cold.
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i thought he was a physical being?
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Are we talking about demons, Chupacabras, Leperchauns, or something else entirely? Chupacabras are of course physical, don't ask me anything about demons, Leperchauns, of faery nature can be solid or not depending on what they want to be, and if it was a ghost I don't know what.
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i'm talking about the goat sucker, it's snow, he would have left tracks
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Oh, well then. I guess we are talking about some Otherworldly being. Or the snow covered all the tracks up really quickly.
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we would need information, such as roughly how deep the snow was, if it was windy at any point around this and if it was snowing. from there we could make a better guess, also the area this occured in would be helpful
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To bad the poster left, I don't think he's coming back either... :doh:
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Damn, i was thinking, it might be something new, something not yet encountered, that we know of.
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Well, I guess we'll never know. :-(
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Don't be too sure on that, i'm trying to contact the poster, this has me intreuged
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Don't lose any sleep on that. :)
If you get anything tell me, I'm interested too.
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Yeah, if possable i may ask him to join this conversation, and see if "It" has returned
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Good luck.
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i got ahold of him, nice guy....anyway, Estonia is where he lives, it hasn't come back since that night, he describes the speed it moved at to "Be able to outrun any animal around where he lives" this happened some time around March, and it's interesting to note that in the last month all the animals that where around his house have disapeared. now. for it to be moving at that speed, and not desturb the snow atall, it would have to be lacking a truly physical form, as it also had the power to leave scratches on the walls and possably roof (he never got around to checking it) , his dogs bark alot at night, as sometimes do his neighbors dogs, weather this is relivent or not is up for debate.
Now, i have a few ideas about this, since it had the power to leave the scratches, and was obvously not a human spirit, and since the animals seem to ahve fled in recent times, i would beleive, that it may be some sort of demon, and it's still in the area, the demon would need to instill fear or dark feelings in the occupants in order to get enough notice to enter the house, the scratches left and the fact that he saw the then moveing away would fill the order, it may reappear soon, and use the notice to occupy the house. that's just my opinion, anyone else have any ideas?
Edited for spelling and stupidity
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Sorry that I went away from this site for some time, i totally forgot this place.
As much I can remember it was not snowing outiside, but it was quite cold and I guess it was windy, at least it was later on.
The snow itself was deep enough to hide a cat or something, but that thing was too light I beleive and that's why it didn't leave any trace on snow.
It moved on one 'thing', it was without legs, it had (I think they were) claw like hands because of the marking on the wall.
If I can help with something, i'll be here.
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It could also be a type of goblin.
Goblins are shapeshifters and can take on physical and non physical form. If animals are barking at invisible things and small animals are disappearing it could be that it is eating them. (A sure sign that a goblin is near.) Goblins will attempt to invade homes because it may be over a "goblin land" where goblins live or once live to meet each other. Goblins also love dark places to live and can cause fear to humans even if they are not to be seen. Also Shin Natsume, if items are getting lost the reappearing is also a sign that goblins are messing with you. Do you hear whispers and snickers where ever you are, but no one is there to cause them?
Okay, so now we are left with the choice of a demon, goblin(s), or a spirit animal.
(Goblins are similiar to demons, but they hate humans for other reasons and are of Faery nature.)
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his dogs bark alot at night, as sometimes do his neighbors dogs, weather this is relivent or not is up for debate.
Animals always sense them, and they always show how much they are affraid. That is why they got rid of my animals.....they might alert us on evil beings we do not see, but feel.
And it is immportant to notice (once again), that there had been most intence stuff arround here, too. And they came again...
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I made the thread Nina, anyway demon or Goblin... Cats and dogs see them and can give off warning. (Hissing, chasing, or acting odd.) If its' a goblin they will eat animals or scare them to make them quite. If its' a demon it will make them quite, but not harm them, if its' a ghost they won't do anything about it.
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You're making assumptions about demons that are incorrect.
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Yes, but animals can sense them long before you do, so, read the animal.
I feel like the oldwise, Sioux, pipe smokin, cactus drinking, medicine woman...
(poped into my head) :focus:
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You're making assumptions about demons that are incorrect.
My bad. Demons are not my strong point.
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Animals can no more "sense" demons than can man.
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Hm, my cats always saw them, I know how a cat looks when shes looking into something. And I didnt see it, just sense it.
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See Viper, I only know so little and I can only try to recall what I have read when I tryed to learn of demons.
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If you didn't see anything, how do you know your cat did? Dogs and cats are much the same - they have very small brains and process stumuli - visual and otherwise - differently to us. People often say things like, "My cat/dog was looking strangely at the corner of the room and there was nothing there - but I could just tell they were seeing something..." etc. They are more often than not responding to an auditory stimulus coming from a different direction and have turned their head to point their ear at it, and while focusing on that they shut down their visual input, giving them a weird look. Meanwhile, humans interpret this differently, and the "spooky" feeling they get is interpreted by them as "a presence".... Its a self-fulfilling expectation.
If animals really could detect the presence of demons then they'd all be insane by now.
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What if the animal chases something across the room. Barks/hisses at something that cannot be seen and then runs off at another direction. Thats not paying attention to something else thats going on in another room. I've heard from a ghost tour person that dogs and cats are more intuned to their pyschi which allows them to see something we don't. I have also read that children (normally babies) are more sensitive to ghost and Faeries because they still have their innocents and are not clouded by the world of fact. A mother with a young child is also likely to be more sensitive because she has to play and work with a young child's thoughts. Thus leading them to see little faeries or ghostly appiritions or nasty hobgoblins because of this open mindedness.
Maybe I'm wrong about demons, but this is what I have read about ghost and faeries.
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I am virtually 24/7 with children from tiny babies through to 15/16 year olds. The only little faeries or ghostly apparitions or nasty hobgoblins I might see because of this open mindedness are the ones in books. :-)
You're reading your own concepts and constructs into it. The reason why children seem to see things that adults don't is because they have great imaginations. That's because their brain is wired to absorb, process and assimilate knowledge far more rapidly than an adult's.
When my daughter's doll talks back to her, is that really happening, and I just can't see it because I am no longer sensitive to it? When my son uses a cardboard box as a car/house/robot/tank, is it really turning into one of those things, but I am too old and cynical to see it? When a child sees faeries and other weirdness at the bottom of the garden, are they really there but I'm no longer tuned into my psche sufficiently to see them? Let's hope this last one isn't true - because my son swears there's an alligator living under my garden shed, and I'd be far more worried about that than faeries.
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Its' not that, its' hard to explain. I'm not saying your kids are seeing these things for real or that the dolls are talking and they're driving tanks/cars/whatever. (Or lets hope not. :roll:) and your not seeing it. I've read accounts from New Zealand of a child seeing a goblin like critter and his mother as well, (whom they got rid of via prayers.) a little boy complaining about a little man at the end of his bed whom his mother saw as well, children playing with their dead grandparents, and other things... Its just normally the mother for some reason.
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maybe it's an alligator spirit? :wink:
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But, its true that she didnt react faster than me, or even noticed it before I did.
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I'm not being sKeptical or completely disbelieving; don't get me wrong. But you have to look at this from the POV of any other paranormal investigator - start with the obvious and work your way through. Why assume from the outset that it is goblin, ghost or demon? Whenever something unusual happens to me, I don't think that. If I hear strange sounds in the dark I start off by assuming its a small mammal and go from there. I live in the countryside, and if I assumed every strange noise, visitation, etc was paranormal I'd drive myself crazy.
So, rule out the obvious. And the simplest answer is always the most probable. Occam's Razor - the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.
The next point I was trying to make is that you have to account for the difference between subjective and objective observation. If a person is already predisposed to a belief in certain entities, they are more likely to attribute the phenomenon to those entities than to a more rational explanation. Subconsciously, their own imagination will fill in the gaps in the observed phenomena with biased input. Also, if you are feeling spooked, you will attribute that to a "menacing presence", rather than "the willies".
This also brings me to the children's imagination thing - you cannot make any meaningful observation about how a child - or an animal - may be perceiving phenomena. You can only refer to physiological, organic processes of sensory decoding, because anything else is just supposition. Only a 1 year old child knows how it is thinking, and we will never fully know that because we cannot remember ourselves, and by the time we are able to articulate that, we've already forgotten.
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i can agree that sometimes people place the blame on the supernatural, possibly ignoring a serious, more tangible threat.
and then there's no need to dismiss the power of the human mind, how much of the supernatural is really our own subconscious doings?
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Suggested Rules of Investigation for Unusual Claims
RULE #1
Controversial subjects generate polarized responses.
RULE #2
Record or write down everything as soon as possible, no matter how inconsequential or insignificant it might seem at the time.
RULE #3
Always credit your sources and respect requests for anonymity.
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Always be ready for anything, anytime. Look for coincidences when investigating claims of the unusual. Often, there may be a synchronistic element at work.
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It is impossible to be too objective when scientifically investigating claims of the unusual.
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Always assume there is a mundane explanation until proven extraordinary (Occam's razor).
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Appearances can be deceiving. There may be more happening than meets the eye.
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If you publicise claims of the unusual, choose your words wisely, for your "spin" may have tremendous influence.
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Media coverage of the unusual, because of its sensational nature, is often inaccurate and cannot be accepted as totally accurate by the investigator.
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The human mind, when faced with the unknown, reverts to basic primal symbols to rationalise its experience.
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When investigating claims of the unusual, one cannot reach conclusions based on intuition alone.
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There is a possibility that the (sub)culture itself may cocreate manifestations of unexplained, individually perceived phenomena.
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We must be extremely careful not to perpetrate our own beliefs, suspicions, or actual experiences into the minds of those who desperately want to have a "special" event happen in their lives - ourselves included!
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Well DV, when ever something odd happens to me in my life I do all of that before jumping in.
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*shrugs*
Not in this thread...
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oh be nice... :-P
not all people maintain the ideal scientific approach when something fantastic happens to them, there's a lot of experiences attributed to the supernatural, but not all can be so easily dismissed.
even under intense scientific scrutiny. :-*
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Just saying is all... (A common quote used at my school. :x)
Anyways, I hope the person comes back and tells us more.
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I am virtually 24/7 with children from tiny babies through to 15/16 year olds.
I'm sorry :-fly) I'm almost too stunned to take in this information.
After 15 years with an Asperger's Syndrome child I sometimes think I will never be the same.
~Morticia
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It was night, like two-three'o clock, it was quite dark outside and everyone in my house were in deep sleep, exept me.
I heard a weird scrapping noise outside of our house (window was a little opened), it was like a dog who wanted to dig into wall, like...really agressive and loud, it lasted for 8-10 seconds or so, then it stopped, I wasn't afraid at first, i actually thought it was a random dog, but then i heard the same noise a bit weaker - it was on the other side of our house, i quickly got out of bed and runned next to the window where i heard it (My bedroom is on second floor - the noise was coming near first floor windows or walls) it was the same noise. I was a bit frightened because that 'dog' was on the other side of the house within few seconds, while it should take like 20-30 second's.
That's not all, i thought "what the heck, screw the dog's" and decided to go to sleep, but then i heard it - some kind of voice, it was so low and fast it woke me up completly, i thought are there thief's or something outside, but then i heard the same scrapping noise on roof, and that's where i got really scared, the voice was gone, but the scrapping noise from roof was still on, it had lasted nearly a whole minute, i was really scared at that moment.
When it stopped, i was expecting that noise again, but it didn't come, i decided to check - i opened the window (the forest in near - like maybe 5-10 meter's away from our house) it was dark outside and very cold, everything was snowy, and as the snow was white, i did saw something, i swear on my life there was something small...like maybe 30-40cm's tall, some creature, moving rapidly fast to wood's, he was black and didn't leave any traces as it moved. I did not sleep well for couple next day's and nobody in my family beleived me, even when i showed them the marking's on wall (i still haven't checked the roof) they sayd i did them to make up something.
I really think this was a physical animal of some sort - perhaps a crossbreed of a domestic cat and wildcat.
Let us know if you see it again and learn anything else.
~Morticia
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~It seems all of these reduce my ¨nessie¨ post to crap... :| , I feel a little dissapointed , 'cause we cannot be certain of everything surrounding us ; UFO has been called a fake , A god existence has been questioned too , among many other things , but how explain something we hardly understand? we don't even know what we are.... so many things are better left unsaid 'til truth enlighten us all!!
~the fallen~
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By not following very basic rules of recording and investigating, we NEVER find the truth. If things are "better left unsaid" until proven true, why bother mentioning anything?
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True.
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By not following very basic rules of recording and investigating, we NEVER find the truth. If things are "better left unsaid" until proven true, why bother mentioning anything?
~then posts on MAYDAY MAYDAY!! and sightings are a waste of time , we can prove nuthin' yes?
~the fallen~
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actually it can help people figure things out, it's just that so many have some strange experience and suddenly it's demons, ghosts, or any number of supernatural entity out to terrorize mankind.
most often it ends up being the person's mind deciphering the phenomenah and translating it into a believable situation...would it be better to have people express they've been specially selected for doom and terror for something silly they did like...oh...summoning something in a graveyard at midnight, just nodding, telling them to do a banishment and leave it at that?
in order to acurately deal with any disturbing situation it must be understood, and at that point it'll be easier to assess what needs to be done to eliminate the threat...an lbrp will not work too well if the person is just under stress to the point of seeing things that are not there...where as if it's proven that they are indeed under attack from some supernatural entity that for whatever reason decided they needed to be, bothered...it can be addressed with a more, accurate solution than a one size fits all temporary fix.
why not figure out the root and eliminate it all together?
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You're missing the point, Westerhaus. People can post whatever they want to. But anybody who wishes to understand the incident better, and perhaps provide a rational explanation, or sensible and helpful advice where the explanation is not forthcoming, needs to approach the subject seriously. If you want to be taken seriously as an investigator, you don't go blundering in making wild guesses.
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~Ok got ya...
~the fallen~
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Feel free to put up the link
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that's really sort of neat...
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I think I read once that they found out thats a fake.
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I knew that had to be something somewhat familiar!
Topic (http://monstrous.com/forum/index.php?topic=1851.0)
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and still no suggestions as to what it could be?
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No new ideas so far. I agree with the dog theory.
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Actaully that could easily be added in with any art program. It's not that hard, I don't think you need a prop or anything.
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It looks sort of like it was jumping up while someone was snaping a picture. Usually dogs jump if you have somthing in front of them or maybe this is the first two feet walking dog! collect the whole series! :-o