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Aliens, ETs and UFOs => Abduction/Contact => Topic started by: Shadowling on May 24, 2005, 01:03:21 PM

Title: A Message from E.T?
Post by: Shadowling on May 24, 2005, 01:03:21 PM
Hello, everyone. I found this on Lovenrock's website I believe. Whether or not it was actually sent by extraterrestrials is not known, but I think the message is good, so here it is. It was apparently found anonymous somewhere.....


  >ET to Earth: Do You Wish That We Show UP?
>Friday, October 31, 2003 12:13:20 PM
>
>MWM: This long letter to humanity appeared with no apparent
>return address. It is being posted here and there.
>
>This is another internet piece for which I cannot assess the validity.
>All I *can* say is that it sounds like a good idea, is coherent, and is
>written skillfully at a level of intelligence and maturity I would
>associate with a serious, non-technical, matter-of-fact level of
>discourse. It is not culturally loaded and the writer has a very good
>understanding of language and human psychology, though there are a
>few moments where the grammar is different from what we are
>accustomed to and there are a couple of language errors.
>
>Most importantly, it makes no reference to impossible constructs,
>faux-tech, nor any type of religious or New Age buzzwords. This is as
>clean a straight-shooting letter as you will find. Accordingly I am
>sending it to you to "vet" it and see what our Phoenix Five brain trust
>surmises about it. I am also sending it to you because it might be real.
>
>The main assertion in the letter is that human civilization is now in
>an uncontrollable free-fall implosion which cannot be "fixed" from
>within existing social systems. The implosion is causing -- will cause --
>a major rupture in all human orders. There is a dark road down
>toward the use of technology to rapidly enslave human populations
>in a badly degraded and unhealthy environment. Those who are
>defining this path, many of them unintentionally, have the greater
>advantage of power over resources and may gain the upper hand
>during the coming rupture.
>
>There are many who would take a liberating path. They could gain the
>upper hand if they *understand the choice* and can lose their fear,
>sense of isolation, and ignorance about the true state of affairs. The
>main proposition in the letter is that the mass appearance of "ET" in
>the skies now could help humanity clear away the veils of illusion
>and deceits, help settle many existential issues and dilemmas, and
>provide an "attractor" to help pull positive mentalities out of the
>social death-vortex and enable them to refocus the next stage in
>evolution. The main question in the letter is whether you want ET to
>thus show up.
>
>ET suggests that direct contact and some cultural assistance would
>provide the means to overcome the major blocks in human social and
>cultural evolution. ET argues that the mental/emotional ground
>needs to be prepared for such contact. Consent and expectation for
>such contact needs to be created around the world, lest humans react
>en masse with fear and become manipulated by reactive power elites.
>ET suggests that a focused telepathic answer from each reader will be
>sufficient to assist ET in reaching a conclusion about what it should or
>should not do. Even as the internet is achieving universal penetration
>during this time, ET requests that this letter, its first mass
>communication, be universally translated and transmitted
>throughout the world. ET also suggests that this should be done
>people-to-people, bypassing the mass media.
>
>Here is the letter. Here it is unaltered by me. Decide for yourself.
>
>~~~~~
>
>CHANGE THE WORLD. DECIDE WHETHER WE SHOULD SHOW UP
>
>Whoever transmitted this translated message to you is irrelevant, and
>should remain anonymous in your mind. It is what you will do with
>this message which matters.
>
>Each one of you wishes to exercise her/his free will and experience
>happiness. These are attributes that were shown to us and to which we
>now have access. Your free will depends upon the knowledge you
>have of your own power. Your happiness depends upon the love that
>you give and receive. Like all conscious races at this stage of progress,
>you may feel isolated on your planet. This impression makes you sure
>of your destiny. Yet you are at the brink of big upheavals that only a
>minority is aware of. It is not our responsibility to modify your future
>without your choosing it. Consider this message as a worldwide
>referendum. And your answer as a ballot.
>
>Who are we?
>
>Neither your scientists nor your religious representatives speak
>unanimously about the unexplained celestial events [aerial
>phenonema?] that mankind has witnessed for thousands of years. To
>know the truth, one must face it without the filter of oneīs beliefs,
>however respectable they may be.
>
>A growing number of anonymous researchers of yours are exploring
>new knowledge paths and are getting very close to reality. Today your
>civilisation is flooded with an ocean of information of which only a
>tiny part, the less upsetting one, is notably diffused [publicized or
>broadcast]. What in your history seemed ridiculous or improbable has
>often become possible, then realised, in particular in the last fifty years.
>Be aware that the future will be even more surprising. You will
>discover the worst as well as the best. Like billions of others in this
>galaxy, we are conscious creatures that some name "extra-terrestrials",
>even though reality is subtler.
>
>There is no fundamental difference between you and us, save for the
>experience of certain stages of evolution. As in any other organised
>structure, hierarchy exists in our internal relationships. Ours is based
>upon the wisdom of several races. It is with the approval of this
>hierarchy that we turn to you. Like most of you, we are in the quest of
>the Supreme Being [Beingness?]. Therefore we are not gods or lesser
>gods but virtually your equals in the Cosmic Brotherhood. Physically,
>we are somewhat different from you but most of us are humanoid-
>shaped.
>
>Our existence is a reality but the majority of you does not perceive it
>yet. We are not mere observations, we are consciences
>[consciousnesses?] just like you. You fail to apprehend us because we
>remain invisible to your senses and measuring instruments most of
>the time.
>
>We wish to fill this void at this moment in your history. We made
>this collective decision but this is not enough. We need yours.
>Through this message, you become the decision-makers. You
>personally. We have no human representative on Earth who could
>guide your decision.
>
>Why arenīt we visible?
>
>At certain stages of evolution, cosmic "humanities" discover new
>forms of science beyond the apparent control of matter. Structured
>dematerialisation and materialisation are among them. This is what
>your humanity has reached in a few laboratories, in close
>collaboration with other "extra-terrestrial" creatures at the cost of
>hazardous compromises that remain purposedly hidden from you by
>some of your representatives. Apart from the aerial or space objects or
>phenomena known about by your scientific community, that you call
>UFOs, there are essentially multidimensional manufactured
>spaceships that apply these capacities. Many human beings have been
>in visual, auditory, tactile or psychic contact with such ships, some of
>which are under occult [presumably meaning "negative" in this
>context] powers that "govern" you.
>
>The scarcity of your observations is due to the outstanding advantages
>provided by the dematerialised state of these ships. By not witnessing
>them by yourself, you cannot believe in their existence. We fully
>understand this. The majority of these observations are made on an
>individual basis so as to touch the soul and not to modify any
>organised system. This is deliberate from the races that surround you
>but for very different reasons and results.
>
>For negative multidimensional beings that play a part in the exercise
>of power in the shadow of human oligarchy, discretion is motivated
>by their will to keep their existence and seizure [activities that seize
>humanity's will?] unknown. For us, discretion is motivated by the
>respect of the human free will that people can exercise to manage their
>own affairs so that they can reach technical and spiritual maturity on
>their own.
>
>Humankindīs entrance into the family of galactic civilisations is
>greatly expected. We can appear in broad daylight and help you attain
>this union. We havenīt done it so far, as too few of you have
>genuinely desired it, because of ignorance, indifference or fear, and
>because the [degree of] emergency of the situation did not justify it.
>
>Many of those who study our appearances count the lights in the
>night without lighting the way. Often they think in terms of objects
>when it is all about conscious beings.
>
>Who are you ?
>
>You are the offspring of many traditions that throughout time have
>been mutually enriched by each othersī contributions. The same
>applies to the races at the surface of the Earth. [Presumably this alludes
>to contributions from ET races as well as the interactions among the
>races and cultures of Earth itself.] Your goal is to unite in the respect of
>these roots to accomplish a common project. The appearance of your
>cultures seems to keep you separated because you substitute it for your
>deeper being. Shape [form] is now more important than the essence of
>your subtle nature. For the powers in place, this prevalence
>[predominance?] of shape constitutes the ramparts against any form of
>jeopardy [to their negative agenda]. You are being called on to
>overcome shape [the compelling nature of appearance] while still
>respecting it for its richness and beauty. Understanding the conscience
>of shape makes us love men in their diversity.
>
>Peace does not mean not making war, it consists in becoming what
>you are in reality: a Fraternity. To understand this, the number of
>solutions within your reach are decreasing. [The number of options
>for recognizing this is decreasing.] One of them consists in contact
>with another race that would reflect the image of what you are in
>reality. [i.e. embodied consciousness.]
>
>What is your situation?
>
>Except for rare occasions, our interventions always had very little
>incidence [impact] on your capacity to make collective and individual
>decisions about your own future. This is motivated by our knowledge
>of your deep psychological mechanisms. We reached the conclusion
>that freedom is built every day as a being becomes aware of itself and
>of its environment, getting progressively rid of constraints and
>inertias, whatever they may be. Despite the numerous, brave and
>willing human consciences, those inertias are artificially maintained
>for the profit of a growing centralising [increasingly consolidated]
>power. Until recently, mankind lived in satisfying control of its
>decisions. But it is losing more and more control of its own fate
>because of the growing use of advanced technologies, whose lethal
>consequences on the earthly and human ecosystems become [are
>becoming] irreversible.
>
>You are slowly but surely losing your extraordinary capacity to make
>life desirable. Your resilience will artificially decrease, independently
>of your own will. Technologies exist that affect your body as well as
>your mind. Such plans are on their way. This can change as long as
>you keep this creative power in you, even if it cohabits with the dark
>intentions of your potential lords. This is the reason why we remain
>invisible. This individual power is doomed to vanish should a
>collective reaction of great magnitude not happen. The period to come
>is that of rupture, whichever it may be. [i.e., a discontinuity, whether
>for good or ill.]
>
>But should you wait for the last moment to find solutions? Should
>you anticipate or undergo pain? Your history has never ceased to be
>marked by encounters between peoples who had to discover one
>another in conditions that were often conflictual. Conquests almost
>always happened to the detriment of others. Earth has now become a
>village where everyone knows everyone else but still conflicts persist
>and threats of all kinds get worse in duration and intensity. Although
>a Human being as an individual has many potential capacities, he or
>she cannot exercise them with dignity.
>
>This is the case for the biggest majority of you for reasons that are
>essentially geopolitical. There are several billion of you. The education
>of your children and your living conditions, as well as the conditions
>of numerous animals and much plant life are nevertheles s under the
>thumb of a small number of your political, financial, military and
>religious representatives. Your thoughts and beliefs are modelled after
>partisan interests to turn you into slaves while at the same time
>giving you the feeling that you are in total control of your destiny,
>which in essence is the reality.
>
>But there is a long way between a wish and a fact when the true rules
>of the game at hand are unknown. This time, you are not the
>conqueror. Biasing [the] information [you receive] is a millenary
>strategy for human beings. Inducting [inducing] thoughts, emotions or
>organisms that do not belong to you via ad hoc technologies is an
>even older a strategy. Wonderful opportunities for progress stand
>close to big subdual  [i.e., the subduing of those opportunities] and
>destruction threats.
>
>These dangers and opportunities exist now. However, you can only
>perceive what is being shown to you. The end of natural resources is
>programmed [by their inherent natural limits], whereas no long-term
>collective project [for developing alternative resources] has been
>launched. Ecosystem exhaustion mechanisms have exceeded
>irreversible limits. The scarcity of resources and their unfair
>distribution - resources whose entry price will rise day after day - will
>bring about fratricidal fights on a large scale, even at the very heart of
>your cities and countrysides.
>
>Hatred grows bigger but so does love. That is what keeps you confident
>in your ability to find solutions. But the critical mass is insufficient
>and sabotage work is cleverly being carried out. Human behaviours,
>formed from past habits and trainings, have such an inertia that this
>perspective leads you to a dead end. You entrust these problems to
>representatives, whose conscience of common well-being slowly fades
>away before corporatist interests. They are always debating on the form
>but rarely on the content. Just at the moment of action, delays will
>accumulate to the point when you have to submit rather than choose.
>This is the reason why, more than ever in your history, your decisions
>of today will directly and significantly impact your survival
>tomorrow.
>
>What event could radically modify this inertia that is typical of any
>civilisation? Where will a collective and unifying awareness come
>from, that will stop this blind rushing ahead? Tribes, populations and
>human nations have always encountered and interacted with one
>another. Faced with the threats weighing upon the human family, it is
>perhaps time that a greater interaction occurred. A great roller wave is
>on the verge of emerging. It mixes very positive but also very negative
>aspects.
>
>Who are the "third party"?
>
>There are two ways to establish a cosmic contact with another
>civilisation: via its standing representatives or directly with
>individuals without distinction. The first way entails fights of
>interests, the second way brings awareness. The first way was chosen
>by a group of races motivated by keeping mankind in slavery, thereby
>controlling Earth resources, the gene pool and human emotional
>energy. The second way was chosen by a group of races allied with the
>cause of the Spirit of service. We have, at our end, subscribed to this
>disinterested [service-oriented] cause and introduced ourselves a few
>years ago to representatives of the human power who refused our
>outstretched hand on the pretext of incompatible interests with their
>strategic vision. That is why today individuals are to make this choice
>by themselves without any representative interfering. What we
>proposed in the past to those whom we believed were in a capacity to
>contribute to your happiness, we propose now -- to you.
>
>Most of you ignore that non-human creatures took part in the exercise
>of those centralising powers without them being either suspected or
>accessible to your senses. This is so true that they have almost very
>subtly taken control. They do not necessarily stand on your material
>plane, and that is precisely what could make them extremely efficient
>and frightening in the near future.
>
>However, be aware that a large number of your representatives are
>fighting this danger. Be aware that not all abductions are made against
>you.
>
>It is difficult to recognize the truth. How could you, under such
>conditions, exercise your free will when it is so much manipulated?
>What are you really free of?
>
>Peace and reunification of your peoples would be a first step toward
>the harmony with civilisations other than yours. That is precisely
>what those who manipulate you behind the scenes want to avoid at
>all cost because, by dividing, they reign. They also reign over those
>who govern you. Their strength comes from their capacity to instill
>mistrust and fear into you. This considerably harms your very cosmic
>nature.
>
>This message would be of no interest if these manipulatorsī tutorate
>did not reach its peak and if their misleading and murderous plans
>did not materialise in a few years from now. Their deadlines are close
>and mankind will undergo unprecedented torments for the next ten
>cycles. [Years? Centuries? Millennia?...] To defend yourselves against
>this aggression that bears no face, you need at least to have enough
>information that leads to the solution. As is also the case with
>humans, resistance exists amongst those dominant races. Here again,
>appearance will not be enough to tell the dominator from the ally. At
>your current state of psychism [psycho-emotional development?], it is
>extremely difficult for you to distinguish between them. In addition to
>your intuition, training will be necessary when the time has come.
>Being aware of the priceless value of free will, we are inviting you to
>an alternative.
>
>What can we offer ?
>
>We can offer you a more holistic vision of the universe and of life,
>constructive interactions, the experience of fair and fraternal
>relationships, liberating technical knowledge, eradiction of suffering,
>controlled exercise of individual powers, access to new forms of
>energy and, finally, a better comprehension of consciousness.
>
>We cannot help you to overcome your individual and collective fears,
>to bring you laws that you would not have chosen, or to work on your
>own selves and make the individual and collective effort to build the
>world you desire, the spirit of quest to new skies.
>
>What would we receive?
>
>Should you decide that such a contact take place, we would rejoice
>over the safeguarding of fraternal equilibrium in this region of the
>universe, fruitful diplomatic exchanges, and the intense Joy of
>knowing that you are united to accomplish what you are capable of.
>The feeling of Joy is strongly sought in the universe for its energy is
>divine.
>
>What is the question we ask you?
>
>"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP?"
>
>How can you answer this question? [i.e., by what means can you be
>sure of the right answer?] The truth of soul can be read by telepathy.
>You only need to clearly ask yourself this question and give your
>answer as clearly, on your own or in a group, as you wish. Being in the
>heart of a city or in the middle of a desert does not impact the
>efficiency of your answer, YES or NO, IMMEDIATELY AFTER
>ASKING THE QUESTION! Just do it as if you were speaking to
>yourself but thinking about the message. This is a universal question
>and these mere few words, put in their context, have a powerful
>meaning. You should not let hesitation get in the way.
>
>This is why you should calmly think about it, in all conscience. In
>order to perfectly associate your answer with the question, it is
>recommended that you answer right after another reading of this
>message. Do not rush to answer. Breathe and let all the power of your
>own free will penetrate you. Be proud of what you are! The problems
>that you may have weaken you. Forget about them for a few minutes
>to be yourselves. Feel the force that springs up in you. You are in
>control of yourselves!
>
>[As I read it, they're saying "prepare yourself, think about it, take a
>breath, be yourself, re-read this message, then ask the question and
>take what comes, without filtering or intellectualizing."]
>
>A single thought, a single answer can drastically change your near
>future, in one way as in another. Your individual decision of asking
>in your inner self that we show up on your material plane and in
>broad daylight is precious and essential to us. Even though you can
>choose the way that best suits you, rituals are essentially useless. A
>sincere request made with your heart and your own will will always
>be perceived by those of us whom it is sent to. In your own private
>polling booth of your secret will, you will determine the future.
>
>What is the lever effect ?
>
>This decision should be made by the greatest number among you,
>even though it might seem like a minority. It is recommended to
>spread this message, in all envisageable fashions, in as many
>languages as possible, to those around you, whether or not they seem
>receptive to this new vision of the future.
>
>Do it using in a humorous tone or derision [a little tactical skepticism,
>perhaps?] if that can help you. You can even openly and publicly make
>fun of it if it makes you feel more comfortable but do not be
>indifferent for at least you will have exercised your free will. Forget
>about the false prophets and the beliefs that have been transmitted to
>you about us. This request is one of the most intimate that can be
>asked to you. Making a decision by yourself, as an individual, is your
>right as well as your responsibility! Passivity only leads to the absence
>of freedom. Similarly, indecision is never efficient. If you really want
>to cling to your beliefs, which is something that we understand, then
>say "no" [to our request]. If you do not know what to choose, do not
>say "yes" because of mere curiosity.
>
>This is not a show. This is real daily life, WE ARE ALIVE. And living.
>
>Your history has plenty of episodes in which determined men and
>women were able to influence the thread of events in spite of their
>small number. Just as a small number is enough to take temporal
>power on Earth and influence the future of the majority, a small
>number of you can radically change your fate as an answer to the
>impotence in face of so much inertia and hurdles! You can ease the
>mankindīs birth to Brotherhood. One of your thinkers once said:
>"Give me a hand-hold and Iīll raise the Earth". Spreading this
>message will then be the hand-hold to strengthen, we will be the light-
>years long lever, and you will be the craftsmen to raise the Earth as a
>consequence of our appearance.
>
>What would be the consequences of a positive decision?
>
>For us, the immediate consequence of a collective favourable decision
>would be the materialisation of many ships, in your sky and on Earth.
>
>For you, the direct effect would be the rapid abandoning of many
>certitudes and beliefs. A simple conclusive visual contact would have
>huge repercussions on your future. Much knowledge would be
>modified forever. The organisation of your societies would be deeply
>upheaved for ever, in all fields of activity. Power would become
>individual because you would see for yourself that we are living.
>Concretely, you would change the scale of your values. The most
>important thing for us is that humankind would form a single family
>in front of this "unknown" we would represent! Danger would slowly
>melt away from your homes because you would indirectly force the
>undesirable ones, those we name the "third party", to show up and
>vanish. You would all bear the same name and share the same roots:
>Mankind!
>
>Later on, peaceful and respectful exchanges would be thus possible if
>such is your wish. For now, he who is hungry cannot smile, he who is
>fearful cannot welcome us. We are sad to see men, women and
>children suffering to such a degree in their flesh and in their hearts
>when they bear such an inner light. This light can be your future. Our
>relationships could be progressive. Several stages of several years or
>decades would occur: demonstrative appearance of our ships, physical
>appearance beside human beings, collaboration in your technical and
>spiritual evolution, discovery of parts of the galaxy.
>
>Every time, new choices would be offered to you. You would then
>decide by yourself to cross new stages if you think it necessary to your
>external and inner well-being. No interference would be decided upon
>unilaterally. We would leave as soon as you would collectively wish
>that we do. Depending upon the speed to spread the message across
>the world, several weeks, or even several months will be necessary
>before our "great appearance", if such is the decision made by the
>majority of those who will have used their capacity to choose, and if
>this message receives the necessary support. The main difference
>between your daily prayers to entities of a strictly spiritual nature and
>your current decision is extremely simple: we are technically equipped
>to materialise.
>
>Why such a historical dilemma?
>
>We know that "foreigners" are considered as enemies as long as they
>embody the "unknown". In a first stage, the emotion that our
>appearance will generate will strengthen your relationships on a
>worldwide scale.
>
>How could you know whether our arrival is the consequence of your
>collective choice? For the simple reason that we would have
>otherwise been already there for a long time at your level of existence.
>If we are not there yet, it is because you have not made such a decision
>explicitly. Some among you might think that we would make you
>believe in a deliberate choice of yours so as to legitimate our arrival,
>though this would not be true. What interest would we have in
>openly offering you what you haven't got access to yet, for the benefit
>of the greatest number of you?
>
>How could you be certain that this is not yet another subtle
>manoeuvre of the "third party" to better enslave you? Because one
>always more efficiently fights something that is identified than the
>contrary. [i.e., if we reveal ourselves explicitly we are more vulnerable
>to being fought.] Isnīt the terrorism that corrodes you a blatant
>example? Whatever [In any case], you are the sole judge in your own
>heart and soul! Whatever your choice, it would be respectable and
>respected.
>
>In the absence of human representatives who could potentially seduce
>you into error, you ignore everything about us as well as about those
>who manipulate you without your consent. [This is a bit convoluted
>but I think the intended meaning is clear: As long as we ETs remain
>invisible and human "representatives" (manipulators) pointedly
>ignore our presence, you will tend not to notice us.]
>
>In your situation, the precationary principle that consists in not trying
>to discover us, no longer prevails because you are already in the
>Pandoraīs box that the "third party" has created around you.
>Whatever your decision may be you will have to get out of it [i.e., the
>box]. In the face of such a dilemma, one ignorance against another,
>you need to ask your intuition. Do you want to see us with your own
>eyes , or simply believe what your thinkers say? That is the real
>question. After thousands of years, one day this choice becomes
>inevitable: choosing between two unknowns.
>
>Why spread such a message among yourselves?
>
>Translate and spread this message widely. This action will affect your
>future in an irreversible and historical way at the scale of milleniums,
>otherwise, it will postpone a new opportunity to choose by at least one
>generation, if it can survive at all. Not to choose stands for
>undergoing other peopleīs choice. Not informing others stands for
>running the risk of obtaining a result that is contrary to oneīs
>expectations. Remaining indifferent means giving up oneīs free will.
>
>It is all about your future. It is all about your evolution.
>
>It is possible that this invitation does not receive your collective assent
>and that, because of a lack of information, it will be disregarded.
>Nevertheless no individual desire goes unheeded in the universe.
>Imagine our arrival tomorrow. Thousands of ships. A unique cultural
>shock in todayīs mankindīs history. It will then be too late to regret
>about not making a choice and spreading the message because this
>discovery will be irreversible. We do insist that you do not rush into
>it, but do think about it. And decide. The big media will not be
>necessarily interested in spreading this message. It is therefore your
>task, as an anonymous yet an extraordinary thinking and loving
>being, to transmit it.
>
>You are still the architects of your own fate.
>
>"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP?"
>
>MAY PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH AND IN SPACE
Title: A Message from E.T?
Post by: lovenrock243 on May 24, 2005, 01:19:48 PM
yeah i saw that
Title: A Message from E.T?
Post by: ModernDayVampire on May 24, 2005, 01:21:11 PM
i want them to show up :)
Title: A Message from E.T?
Post by: maggot man on May 25, 2005, 05:53:01 AM
As do I. Salvation for the human race has be offered to on a silver platter. I grab it with both hands and embrace hope that a new world will arise,one free of poverty and hate,one liberated from the whims of petty tyrants.
Title: A Message from E.T?
Post by: ModernDayVampire on May 25, 2005, 06:10:56 AM
yes so evrey one summon them NOW
Title: Re: A Message from E.T?
Post by: luminar on October 05, 2007, 09:13:59 AM
yes please show up. this is what our world needs.
Title: Re: A Message from E.T?
Post by: Moloch on October 05, 2007, 10:12:15 AM
It certainly does. Interesting letter, I can't really poke any serious holes in it. Quite possibly legitimate.
Title: Re: A Message from E.T?
Post by: sukiwatson on March 24, 2008, 09:57:25 AM
that is an interesting letter. However there are those who think we were never from this planet to begin with. I f so maybe there here to help us remember?
Title: Re: A Message from E.T?
Post by: ImmortalKain on May 14, 2008, 09:02:03 AM
If they can give me the answers I seek then let them come I say! Nothing can be worse than the cesspool we have created for ourselves here.  COME ON OVER GUYS!