Time to stir the pot

[Moloch]

It has been my goal for nearly twenty years to learn everything I possibly can about everything I possibly can. So expect lots of posts like this one from me.

[Angelus]

It has been my goal for nearly twenty years to learn everything I possibly can about everything I possibly can. So expect lots of posts like this one from me.

Me too. Just not as long as you have. lol.

[Muerte]

Well lets hear your theory Meurte, since you seem to sh*t on everyone elses theories yours must be near enough bullet proof and we can build from that.

  It is not my intention to s**t on anyones theory Angelus, and I have made many attempts to sooth any hurt feeling I cause by cross examing those theories.

  Now if I had a good solid theory in answer to my own questions, do you think I would be looking for your answers, or would I be out there collecting the evidence?  I have sat and turned many possibilities over and over in my head, and I have been just as critical of my own theories as I have been of others, so please, don't feel singled out.  I simply cann't accept a theory on the surface, I have to disect it and see if it works.

  Lets see to my questions anyways.

  Question one:  Because there are not enough of the species to leave any trail that can be followed.  But if this were so, then why are there so few?  Well lets look at question two.

  Question Two:  They do not breed seasonally.  Their breeding pattern might ( notice here that I will stress the word might ) might occure every five years or so.   ( How are we to know?  We don't, because we are lacking proper evidence )  No one knows the exact cycle of breeding for such a creature, not even me.  Now, lets say we give it 5 years or so before they hit maturity ( yes I'm leading into genetics ), that would make it difficult to expand their reign over the earth wouldn't you say.  Lets also take into consideration that they could produce more male offspring than female ( and since we all agree that the creature in mamilian, let's not bring the lizards/amphibians changing sex argument into this ), now that would complicate things wouldn't it?  I'll go you one further, what if the majority of the males were born sterile?  Could it be possible?  All of these things the creature would have no control over, it just would be.

  I'm going to leave it there, and let you tear it apart.  In fact I welcome it, as it will most likely cause me to look at it again from a different point of veiw.  I don't mind someone proving me wrong.

  And thank you Moloch, but I rather enjoy exposing myself, I have nothing to hide, and can only become better/stronger by standing tall for all to see.  I sherk not from any type of challenge.

[Angelus]

My appologies Muerte. I have read over my post and I came across as quite a penis. 

[onishadowolf]

The small groups I agree with; hell some of us couldn't our ass's, if they weren't attached already.

Seasonal breeding I agree and even the higher male population bit.

But, the a percentage being born sterile, no. At survival standpoint that is nonefficent. On a evolutionary standpoint that would be ill fitting. There are some species that evolved population control type traits. But never any absence of equipment, except by a quirk.  Oh, and we humans are in the category of species that take awhile to sexually mature. And we still riegn, which is debatable.

[Moloch]

Actually, Muerte, I'll go you one better...

Since we all agree that the creature is mammalian in origin, and we can all agree that it is at least humanoid in appearance, making it an ape, and a Great Ape at that - sexual maturity would actually occur at about eight to ten years (Link: http://michellegilders.hosting4less.com/michellegilders/greatapelife.html) Now, eight years is a long time to live in the wild with no shelter, clean water, or McDonalds on the corner. Furthermore, Man only "reigns" because we're better equipped to kill what doesn't kill us first, and because of modern medicine.

How many of you have gone camping for a weekend(Muerte feel free to speak up here, since you have survival training.)? I'm willing to bet that if you went camping, you brought along fire, food, clean water, a first aid kit, and maybe some form of electronic long distance communication. the Great Apes, and I include Big Foot here, have none of these things! How long would you survive in the wild without them? A week? A month perhaps? Wild animals are suited to their environment, but even they get sick, and get injured. Eight years folks, eight years before you can get laid for the first time. And here we're assuming that mating is also a free for all, and not decided by contests or hierarchy, as some animals do these things. We're also assuming that for each mating there is at least one resulting offspring. Now, factor in the food problem, and clean water. In the wild, population is generally controlled in two ways - predation, and abundance or shortage of food. Adult apes would be a slightly difficult target; I say this because if a Chimpanzee can use a blade of grass to get food, then I'm sure Big Foot can figure out a way to defend itself against predators. The young of these apes though, would be a tantalizing target for bears, wolves, wolverines, and the like. So, let's say you have a breeding age population of five hundred pairs, and those pairs each has at least one child, that's a total of one thousand five hundred apes. Now, generally speaking, the vast majority of young are lost to predation and illness. I'll be generous to the bastards though, and say half survive. That's still a population of only one thousand two hundred and fifty apes, and that's just for year one for the young ones - living in ranges that contain millions of acres of forest.

Now, can any of you boys and girls see just how and why a population of Great Apes, living in back country that even seasoned professional hunters, trappers, and explorers don't venture into without extensive preparation; can survive undetected, with a small population - especially if they don't use fire?

[Angelus]

Actualy if there are 500 pairs and each pair has 1 child thats 1500 apes/bigfoot/yeti/sasquach/etc. Not to nitpic. lol

[onishadowolf]

Isn't there a certain ratio needed to be kept for a vaible gene pool. You know to keep down inbreeding.

[Muerte]

  Thankyou Moloch, I knew I could rely on you to fill in the gaps I left, though I was hoping that others would make the attempt.  And yes I do have survival skills, which I practice at least once a year.

  As for a population for a viable gene pool, well if there wasn't a viable gene pool, would not the the creatures population slowly dwindle to nothing?  That is honestly what I think is happening here, that due to inability to properly hold up population, the apes/bigfoot/yeti/sasquach/etc are slowly, but inevitable, disappearing completely from the face of the earth.

[onishadowolf]

I'm going to start making picket signs and posters, that say " Save Big Foot, his too dumb to know he's screwing his first cousin and sister and not his second and third cousins!"

Anybody want one, come on you know want to.
We'll make a stand in front of congress or the white house, whoever doesn't hose us. 

[Angelus]

Going into extinction is a good theory but still doesnt explain why we have not found remains, unless they are burying the dead or canibalising them. They could be put on the endangered species list, in my country we do actualy have the Loch Ness Monster on the endangered species list. It is illegal to intend any form of harm to it but not to hunt it in the catch and return sense.

[mistress]

idk about seasonal breeding, some thrive off the sexual passions and thats how they feed, and if we have seasonal breeding than that would mean people would fight over certain people and that would jus be a mess

[Muerte]

canibalising them

  Now that would make sence wouldn't it?  Yes, secretely I think that could be a possibility, as there are animals, to include primates, which do perform canabilism, and when they are done with a corpse, well theres not much left to identify.

Misteress

some thrive off the sexual passions and thats how they feed

  How do you know this?  I had no idea people have actually observed these creatures in such a way.  Is there anything else you are aware of that you can share?  ( I want eveyone to knotice the light ribbing tone that I stress these questions with, yes I am joking )  But seriousely, how did you come by this information.  Web site, book, person to person conversation.

[mistress]

actually the web i jus googled it lol idk if its true but i jus thought i throw that out there

[Muerte]

actually the web i jus googled it lol idk if its true but i jus thought i throw that out there

  As I thought,  can you give me the site, or what you typed into google?  I'd like to read this also, anything new.