[KubeSix]

It makes them happy, but when they stop getting the attention, life gives them one hell of smack in the face... My little brother's like that. Always wants attention. My parents did the exact same thing you said; they gave him all the attention he needed to be happy. Now he's a spoiled little brat. He cries if my parents tell him to help with the dishes, manages to get desert without finishing dinner, etc. And all that in sixth grade... I think that's a good example of what would happen to someone like that, at any period of their life. If they don't have the attention they need after being given it for too long, they end up worse than they were before. What's worse is those who use their problems as a way to get attention, even if those problems are made up. I think Angelus illustrated that well.

And how would using your past as a crutch be a mental issue? Using past experiences as a way to justify themselves isn't caused by those experiences themselves, it's caused by themselves. It can be the product of many things, but not mental breakdown. If they're not in a mental hospital it means they've recovered from that breakdown if they had one in the first place. Therefore, using such excuses isn't truthfully facing a problem, it's dismissing it as a cause of their past. It's like saying "I'm fat because it's in my genes." Not true, not true at all. Anybody with enough self-respect and/or willpower can lose weight. (Unless it's caused by an illness, but that's a different case totally. Same thing with someone who's insane, they don't have much of a chance compared to others.)

Why do they use it as an excuse? It's the easy way out. If you were being tried for something and you could say it's because you suffer from trauma because of your past or confess you're a dangerous criminal (Or try to get away with it), which on would you chose? Take a few pills every morning because you used a weak excuse to justify something or would you have enough pride to accept the price of your actions?

[Ryobi]

There is a very large difference between giving a kid everything he wants and giving him attention. Unless you see dessert before dinner as attention...

If someone takes a lie so far that they actually start doing drugs because of it, then that is a mental issue and should be addressed as such. If they are using their past as an excuse, then that means they probably believe that whatever the excuse is, in a much more severe situation or even similar situation could cause the same thing, if that's so then there is a risk that it really could come true.

It may also be caused by themselves, if that's so then their mind set is the problem. If their mind set means they feel they can get away with breaking the law etc then that is classified as a mental issue.

I'm not saying they should get off scott-free, at all. Just that they should never be dismissed and that in some cases, it may seem as if they are using an excuse when really they are not.

[Kadesh]

Some people have severe mental scars, but you won't meet them on the street; they're in mental institutes most of the time.

 Most of the time.... I'm not so sure about that. They hide the scars so well, you'd never know. At least two on this very forum.

[KubeSix]

There is a very large difference between giving a kid everything he wants and giving him attention. Unless you see dessert before dinner as attention...

I meant that to be a result of the attention giving. It always starts off with attention, but eventually you get caught in their littel games and they get whatever they want. That's what I meant.

If someone takes a lie so far that they actually start doing drugs because of it, then that is a mental issue and should be addressed as such. If they are using their past as an excuse, then that means they probably believe that whatever the excuse is, in a much more severe situation or even similar situation could cause the same thing, if that's so then there is a risk that it really could come true.

It may also be caused by themselves, if that's so then their mind set is the problem. If their mind set means they feel they can get away with breaking the law etc then that is classified as a mental issue.

I'm not saying they should get off scott-free, at all. Just that they should never be dismissed and that in some cases, it may seem as if they are using an excuse when really they are not.

Once again, it all comes down to whether or not they'll help themselves. If someone starts doing drugs because they had a bad childhood, chances are they haven't tried other ways. Maybe I think that way only because I dislike people in general, but people use such experiences as a crutch way too much.

Some people have severe mental scars, but you won't meet them on the street; they're in mental institutes most of the time.

 Most of the time.... I'm not so sure about that. They hide the scars so well, you'd never know. At least two on this very forum.

Hmm you're right. But if they manage to hide the scars it means they managed to get over, to some extent, their past experiences and have learned things from it; have become stronger from it. Those who can't do that, those who just see it as a big tragedy are those I was talking about. They're the ones who end up in hospitals.

[Kadesh]

 Exactly my point. Just because we're 'damaged' doesn't mean we're broken. As Muerte said... what doesn't kill you will make you stronger.






 Jesus... I should be able to lift Mt Rushmore and sweep under the god damned thing by now....

[KubeSix]

I don't think he was referring to that sort of strength XD

[Kadesh]

 I realize that... I was merely being facetious. I am stronger because of all those things, but I still trip and fall at times...

[Ryobi]

Sometimes people need support in order to change their way of life Kubesix, such as signing in to a mental hospital in order to gain the support they need to change their state of mind. Sometimes, instead of 'signing in' people may constantly talk about an experience that had a profound effect on them, using it as a crutch, or try to self medicate in a social way that will gain attention.

I meant that to be a result of the attention giving. It always starts off with attention, but eventually you get caught in their littel games and they get whatever they want. That's what I meant

It's a possible result, however not the only one. We can agree on that no? 

And with scars, sometimes it's because the person hiding them is too ashamed or too scared to come forward and that feeling more often than not gets worse. So they suppress it (big mistake) instead or just act totally differently in private or end up dead.

[Kadesh]

 Sometimes, but not always..... not always....

[Ryobi]

not always...

Which is good.

[Kadesh]

 But just because you come forward with things, doesn't mean you aren't ashamed or scared.... sometimes it's just a relief for someone else to know your secret... to see your scars...

[KubeSix]

I realize that... I was merely being facetious. I am stronger because of all those things, but I still trip and fall at times...

Yeah, I got the metaphor, don't worry... I've had enough tough times myself to see what you mean.

[Muerte]

I realize that... I was merely being facetious. I am stronger because of all those things, but I still trip and fall at times...

  The occasional trip and fall helps us to remember that no matter what we still need to be careful.  Or you can be like me and go break neck for broke 24-7, though I would not suggest it.

[Ryobi]

  The occasional trip and fall helps us to remember that no matter what we still need to be careful.  Or you can be like me and go break neck for broke 24-7, though I would not suggest it.

That's true mate, if you don't learn from the obstacles you face, it makes overcoming them nearly pointless. Because if you don't learn from them then you can't make sure you don't go down that road again I guess...

[Kadesh]

 Unfortunately, I happen to be very hard-headed. It's taken me more than one time down a road to learn to step around the pothole.