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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2006, 06:20:05 PM »
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Gibson has shown his true colors, a point of view reflected in "The Passion of The Christ".

I never got all the publicity that Passion got for "anti-semitic" viewpoints. Unless the Bible is anti-semitic, all he did was make a movie out of the death of Jesus. How is that anti-semitic when its in the Bible the way the Jews themselves wrote it?

They sold Christ out, and the Romans put him to death. Not that i personally believe that things happened the way they are told in the Bible, or any other religious book..
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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2006, 07:56:45 PM »
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with an important disclaimer at the very beginning of the film detailing the undisputed historical fact that the Romans killed Jesus, and that any of the Jewish leadership, like Caiaphas the High Priest, who called for Jesus' death were all in the employ of Rome, and indeed served as the Roman police enforcers in Judea.

all he did was make a movie out of the death of Jesus. How is that anti-semitic when its in the Bible the way the Jews themselves wrote it? They sold Christ out, and the Romans put him to death

There are a number of scenes which do not appear in the Bible but which were added to flesh out the movie. This was a necessary task, because a blending of the Gospel accounts of Jesus's arrest, trial, flogging and execution would only provide material for perhaps a half-hour movie. Some additional scenes had to be created to extend the film to a feature length.

The diaries of St. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) provided much of the content of the screenplay. These visions were collected into book form by a noted German writer of the time, Brentano, entitled "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ." Although at times Emmerick simply speaks of Jesus' "malicious and cruel enemies", at other times she refers to "the cruel Jews" and other disparagements - reflected in Gibson's The Passion in the sinister countenances and action of Caiaphas's followers. Emmerich was a particularly vicious anti-semite who wrote that "Jews in our country and elsewhere strangled Christian children and used their blood for all sorts of suspicious and diabolical practices."

The writings of a second anti-semitic nun, Mary of Agreda, were also used to pad ot the screen play. She wrote, in reference to Jews: "Although they did not die, they were chastised with intense pain. These disorders consequently upon shedding the blood of Christ, descended to their posterity and even to this day continue to afflict this group with horrible impurities."

Jesus is repeatedly beaten by the Temple guard after his arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane for no apparent reason. Pontius Pilate, the Procurator of Judea, is consistently portrayed as a weak-willed governor, frightened of the power of the Jewish priests, and lacking in confidence. In reality, he was harsh and vicious in his treatment of Jews. He had thousands of them crucified. Philo, writing at the time, said that Pilate was calculating, cruel and brutal. He probably had a typical Roman's disdain for any other culture, thinking the Jews not nearly as civilized as the Romans. He was eventually recalled to Rome to be tried for his brutal treatment of Jews.

In one scene, Judas is emotionally distraught at his prior betrayal of Jesus. He is tormented by some Jewish children whose faces morph into demons.

Through most of the history of Christianity, Christian Churches taught that all "the Jews" - whether they lived in the 1st century or 20th century or sometime in between - were responsible for Jesus's death. The Roman Catholic Church didn't officially abandon this doctrine until the mid 1960's. With thousands of years of tradition behind it, it isn't surprising that the belief is still circulating among part of the public. It rises to the surface regularly like a bloated corpse.

Gibson could have displayed a pro-active disclaimer, as Cecil B DeMille did in his epic movie, King of Kings, that would state directly that the Jewish people are not responsible for Jesus's death.

While the mob pressure Procurator Pilate to crucify Jesus, Gibson has the mob say: "His blood be on us, and on our children." This one verse is probably responsible for more murders of innocent people than any other in the Bible. A. James Rudin, senior inter-religious adviser for the American Jewish Committee writes: "That curse appears only in Matthew, and is the religious taproot for the horrific charge that because the Jews killed Jesus, that they merited eternal divine punishment for their 'crime.' " It has been used as theological justification to the charge of deicide - the belief that the entire Jewish people were and continue to be responsible for the murder of God. Like other statements by actors portraying Jews in the movie, the line was spoken in Aramaic. Gibson sneakily made sure there is no English sub-title, so that only those viewers who are familiar with Aramaic or theology would be able to understand the statement.

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Many Jews, such as the High Priest, are portrayed as physically ugly. "The priests have big noses and gnarly faces, lumpish bodies, yellow teeth; Herod Antipas and his court are a bizarre collection of oily-haired, epicene perverts. The "good Jews" look like Italian movie stars (Magdalene actually is an Italian movie star, the lovely Monica Bellucci); Mary, who would have been around 50 and appear 70, could pass for a ripe 35."

The High Priest is shown as if he a were a member in good standing of the Jewish community, and as having control over the Roman occupation; historians note that the Jews were not allowed to appoint their own High Priest according to Biblical law, and that the High Priest at the time was in the service of the Roman government.

Pontius Pilate is portrayed as a thoughtful, temperate man who ultimately agrees to crucify Jesus because he does not want to risk a Jewish rebellion on the one hand and a Christian rebellion on the other; but historians, including his contemporary Josephus, describe his savage treatment of Jews in general, crucifying many Jews during his reign.

Leon Wieseltier stated in New Republic's March 8, 2004 issue: "In its representation of its Jewish characters, The Passion of the Christ is without any doubt an anti-Semitic movie, and anybody who says otherwise knows nothing, or chooses to know nothing, about the visual history of anti-Semitism, in art and in film. What is so shocking about Gibson's Jews is how unreconstructed they are in their stereotypical appearances and actions. These are not merely anti-Semitic images; these are classically anti-Semitic images."

The New York Daily News said: "Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ is the most virulently anti-Semitic movie since the German propaganda films of World War Two. It is sickening" They added: "[The movie] feels like a propaganda tool rather than entertainment for a general audience... Jews are vilified, in ways both little and big, pretty much nonstop for two hours, seven minutes. Gibson cuts from the hook nose of one bad Jewish character to the hook nose of another in the ensuing scene."



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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2006, 10:06:11 PM »
DV, please take no offense, but it is ironic that your name is Devious Viper and promote Biblical text so much..... :-P

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The New York Daily News said: "Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ is the most virulently anti-Semitic movie since the German propaganda films of World War Two. It is sickening" They added: "[The movie] feels like a propaganda tool rather than entertainment for a general audience... Jews are vilified, in ways both little and big, pretty much nonstop for two hours, seven minutes. Gibson cuts from the hook nose of one bad Jewish character to the hook nose of another in the ensuing scene."

I saw nothing anti-semitic about the film at all.. Basically, it was what happened in the Bible, aside from, as you mentioned, a few cinimatic inclusions to help fill the film out to a full length motion picture..

I think the anti-semitic remarks came mostly because of the known beliefs of Mel's father, Hutton Gibson..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Gibson

I think the real propaganda was using the anti-semitism in order to promote Passion of the Christ..

And, in it's own way, i bet Mel's recent arrest is just a publicity campaign for his new movie "Apocalypto"..
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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2006, 12:42:03 AM »
DV, please take no offense, but it is ironic that your name is Devious Viper and promote Biblical text so much..... :-P

 :lol:   None taken, MAD

British humour, I'm afraid - it relies heavily on irony!

 :spy:  It is also a code of sorts... Anybody figure out who/what it actually refers to..?

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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2006, 02:06:35 PM »
Mel speaks for himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ehDf5BHwI

Caution - contains some adult language

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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2006, 03:18:11 PM »
DV, please take no offense, but it is ironic that your name is Devious Viper and promote Biblical text so much..... :-P

 :lol:   None taken, MAD

British humour, I'm afraid - it relies heavily on irony!

 :spy:  It is also a code of sorts... Anybody figure out who/what it actually refers to..?

I know but that's cheating since you told me a long time ago!
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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2006, 03:37:40 PM »
 :wink:

By the way, did you like the Braveheart spoof? It still has me in tears!

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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2006, 03:42:40 PM »
I loved the Braveheart movie, but that was great Viper! I'm still giggling. :lol:

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Re: On Mel: A Rabbi's Opinion
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2006, 04:12:39 AM »
Wasn't bad at all,  athough the guys Gibson impression was terrible!
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