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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2008, 09:05:21 AM »
Regina, you really have no idea what Kreepy did here do you? He made a valid point, and he did it intelligently - and he said the exact same thing you did, only in different words.

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2008, 09:46:19 AM »
Endless discussion about the origin of Good and Evil, the proof or denial for god's existence, ...., just makes me remind you the very importance of death and suffering for the evolution of everyone soul and the collective race.

How do you imagine a world where no none die, no one suffers, everyone can eat plenty of food ....

Technologically possible but practically boring.  This is the 'Brave New World' from A. Huxley.

Personally, I cant even imagine I will live until 80 years old in the same old carcass ... at this time, I will have the ability to recycle my organs and live endlessly ...

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2008, 09:54:05 AM »
So true, who wants to live forever? After a few milennia, it would become boring. Even the residents of the city of Diaspar in Arthur C. Clarke's "The City and the Stars" had become jaded after a billion years of something similar to what Loki describes. They even had every conceivable form of entertainment too, and lifespans were limited to only one thousand years at that!

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2008, 01:06:42 PM »
I'm gonna make a thread to debate this so this one can get  :focus:
Gabriel, "Don't kill yourself for it would crush my angelic heart. I love you for who you are and I'm glad I met you. :]"

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2008, 01:14:55 PM »
No offense, but you all are ridiculous. IF God does exist, then he is a higher being beyond our comprehension. To try & pin mere human words & concepts on him such as good & evil, benevolent & otherwise, is RIDICULOUS.

It's obvious that he is so far above us that we can't fully grasp all of him, so we invented mere words to try, but being human, & flawed, we ailed in some point. Creating this conundrum.


Yeah, ummm, Regina...Moloch was right. I said the exact same thing as you, I just went about it in a different way.

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2008, 01:23:07 PM »
Meh, that's not what I got from reading it. :-P
Gabriel, "Don't kill yourself for it would crush my angelic heart. I love you for who you are and I'm glad I met you. :]"

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2008, 03:20:42 AM »
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No offense, but you all are ridiculous. IF God does exist, then he is a higher being beyond our comprehension. To try & pin mere human words & concepts on him such as good & evil, benevolent & otherwise, is RIDICULOUS.

It's obvious that he is so far above us that we can't fully grasp all of him, so we invented mere words to try, but being human, & flawed, we ailed in some point. Creating this conundrum.



In that case, his existence matters not in the slightest to me and he is of no understandable interest whatsoever.  What's the point of asking questions about a God too remote for us to relate to?
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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2008, 07:39:53 AM »
It's not that any god is too remote, just beyond our comprehension. Can a crab fully comprehend the entirety of the ocean? & all he life their in? No, but it doesn't mean it isn't a part of it, & has a role to play, no matter how small.
Gabriel, "Don't kill yourself for it would crush my angelic heart. I love you for who you are and I'm glad I met you. :]"

"I'm going to break him, and there will be blood."

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2008, 06:26:56 AM »
I have to disagree with that argument. As a sentient species, we have every right to explore certain concepts for ourselves and if these concepts prove to be impossible to comprehend due either to their immense complexity or more prosaically, a lack of concrete evidence to support its validity, we would be more than justfied in recognising its irrelavence  to our dialy lives. After all, why pursue a subject that we have not the slightest hope of understanding or influencing?
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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2008, 07:34:15 AM »
Exactly, we can't comprehend why our gods do certain things, so we call it good or evil, "God does everything for a reason, even murdering your family, my child." then just chuck it over our shoulders & move on with our lives.
Gabriel, "Don't kill yourself for it would crush my angelic heart. I love you for who you are and I'm glad I met you. :]"

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2008, 04:14:00 AM »
Who's to say that God isn't a deeply irrational and violent being much like us?
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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2008, 04:22:30 AM »
Of course God is irrational and violent.
God is that way because humans are that way. All of our creations bear our mark.

Now, don't anyone take this to mean that I don't believe in a Higher Power. Quite the contrary..I am a firm believer in a God, however I don't ever claim that this is anything more than belief. There's no way of knowing for certain no matter how solid the evidence is, and I'm comfortable with seeing things my way without the compulsion to constantly justify and prove my beliefs on the matter.

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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2008, 12:25:40 AM »
Now, as party that is genuinely curious about your spiritual beliefs rather than as one attempting to act on an ulterior motive, I'd like to ask you to elaborate on t the role that your conception of ''God'' plays in your waking reality according to your convictions. Do you belief that ''he'' or ''she'' or ''it'' has a significant impact on the direction that creation is headed in?
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Re: Evil and God, God and Evil
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2008, 04:46:20 AM »
I personally stick to a Buddhist vision of the existence where our souls are going through endless cycles of reincarnations into various forms and dimensions until we reach enlightenment and merge with the universe.  Such beliefs tolerate the existence of creatures such as monsters, elements and gods/demons.
The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist. - Charles Baudelaire (French and monstrous poet).