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An idea
« on: April 13, 2009, 05:13:39 PM »
heyy guys what up i haven't made any new topics in awhile and i thought of something
and have decided to post it

it is the reason why man cannot understand the concept of god (at least in the christian view)
and it simply ignorance but in a way i haven't heard from another before

and before i start using interpretive sayings il get to the point

god is not simply good
this is the reason we are failing in becoming what mankind was meant to become
god is both good and evil
he is and embodiment of both at the same time

he has murdered, he has saved to put it plainly

if god is simply existence, if existence can only exist through god and god was simply good there would be no evil
because it would simply not be able to exist
the fact that we believe it to exist means it has to exist in god

really the perfect symbol for him would be the yin/yang
because he is light within perfect darkness and still darkness within perfect light

anyways the point being is
in order for humans to achieve, understand, or even really appreciate god or his will
humans must invite the balance of perfect evil and perfect good into him
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Re: An idea
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 06:56:46 PM »
Yes, someone else who thinks the same. Good job. Wonderful point.

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Re: An idea
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 08:38:20 AM »
it was becoming a christian that helped me understand God and it was witchcraft that led me to Him.

God being a divine existence in actuality wouldn't be good or evil, He's subject to the perceptions of those who perceive Him; it's humanity that defines good and evil, existence doesn't exist through Him, even by biblical thought He made the world and then gave Us dominion over it, as long as humanity thinks more like a beast and less as mini divinities there will be evil, not because there is or is not a God but because there's humanity.
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Re: An idea
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 09:41:31 AM »
  I would have to respectfully disagree, whether or not we strive to be mini devinities and less like beast, we will always have evil.  I say this because evil stems from more than beastial activities.  Beast do not feel greed, they do not feel envy, they in a nut shell do not act as humans do.  Evil is in the heart, and mankind will always have difficulty overcomming it, and they will never truly defeat it.  If they could, they would never have the need to ask forgiveness. 
 
  I for one applaud and admire those whom are able to achive purity (and I mean true purity, not perceived purity), though they are so few as to seem nonexistant.  I also believe that the true intent behind creation was for balance.  Almost eveything in life is in finding a balance, science has balance, nature has balance, religion has balance.  You can not have right without having something to show you what is wrong.  Will we ever be truely good, no, but neither will we ever be truely bad either.
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Re: An idea
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 07:24:55 AM »
you make the beasts sound luckier.  ;)
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Re: An idea
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 02:35:12 PM »
Makes me think back to my theory of relativity: Everything is Relative.

Just think about it - it IS all relative. It's evident in what you say. That's my philisophical thought. I could go in depth and explain it, but that one statement pretty much sums up the point.

Example: Good vs. Evil
If mice were to invade your house and you were to kill them with mice traps, etc. The mice would think you evil for killing them. You would think the mice evil for invading your space.

I saw this diagram once in a book by David Farland called The Runelords. Purely fiction book, but it had some great philosophy. The diagram explained what I was just describing in pictorial form.
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Re: An idea
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2009, 07:29:48 PM »
you make the beasts sound luckier.  ;)

They are, because they have no need for morality, accountablity, nor for anything else that makes us "Civilized" They live, breed, and die.  That is the extent of it for them.  We all started that way after all.  No matter if you ascribe to Creation or evolution, when we started, alls we did was survive.
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Re: An idea
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 12:56:28 PM »
  I would have to respectfully disagree, whether or not we strive to be mini devinities and less like beast, we will always have evil.  I say this because evil stems from more than beastial activities.  Beast do not feel greed, they do not feel envy, they in a nut shell do not act as humans do.  Evil is in the heart, and mankind will always have difficulty overcomming it, and they will never truly defeat it.  If they could, they would never have the need to ask forgiveness. 
 
  I for one applaud and admire those whom are able to achive purity (and I mean true purity, not perceived purity), though they are so few as to seem nonexistant.  I also believe that the true intent behind creation was for balance.  Almost eveything in life is in finding a balance, science has balance, nature has balance, religion has balance.  You can not have right without having something to show you what is wrong.  Will we ever be truely good, no, but neither will we ever be truely bad either.
So what about Pure evil?


Ahem...... Anyway

Where does Divine come from anyway? I'm talking bout the etymology.
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Re: An idea
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 07:16:16 PM »
Personal beliefs (including my own) aside for a moment...

Good and evil has developed over the years into something people view as physical in its existence, since it serves the dual backdrop of what we've come to call morality, which is itself the very foundation of civilization.  This has quite probably deluded the possible origins of the concept.  In a way, good and evil were both born the moment civilization was born.  Since our actions before hand, as someone pointed out earlier, were based solely on survival in the wilds of prehistory.  With the birth of civilization came mankind's need to give rules and reasons to the world and the actions taking place in it, including our own.  Acting out of compassion and aiding the survival of your fellow man became something we call "good."  We gave images to the word, idols and bright appealing colors to establish its overall positive meaning.  To show malice and contempt, otherwise leading to the harm of your fellow man, was deemed "evil."  Given unpleasant images of beasts and spins on the other predators we feared in our primitive days.  In short, and an obvious one at that, good and evil is merely a scale.  And scales are nothing more than units of measurement -- created by man -- to measure, in this case, the consequence of his actions.  Just as time -- also created by man -- measures the progression of life and existence.

This leaves us with the logical possibility that, like time, good and evil may not even exist at all.  At least not in the physical or etheral sense.  Good and evil are a choice.  If demons are real and sentient, being aware of the two, then the only reason it is evil is because it chooses not to be good.  But it does not mean it lacks the capacity.  Same goes as said before with God.  If he is real, he is good solely because he chooses to be.

Choice is the privelage given by sentience.
To act human is to give meaning to something meaningless.

Sanity is a matter of perception.

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Re: An idea
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 08:04:53 PM »
  I would have to respectfully disagree, whether or not we strive to be mini devinities and less like beast, we will always have evil.  I say this because evil stems from more than beastial activities.  Beast do not feel greed, they do not feel envy, they in a nut shell do not act as humans do.  Evil is in the heart, and mankind will always have difficulty overcomming it, and they will never truly defeat it.  If they could, they would never have the need to ask forgiveness. 
 
  I for one applaud and admire those whom are able to achive purity (and I mean true purity, not perceived purity), though they are so few as to seem nonexistant.  I also believe that the true intent behind creation was for balance.  Almost eveything in life is in finding a balance, science has balance, nature has balance, religion has balance.  You can not have right without having something to show you what is wrong.  Will we ever be truely good, no, but neither will we ever be truely bad either.
So what about Pure evil?


Ahem...... Anyway

Where does Divine come from anyway? I'm talking bout the etymology.

    Mankind will never achive pure Evil for the same reason we will never have pure Good, because we are incapible of it.  Going to the extreme in either direction would drive a human mind mad, and at that point, that person would cease to exist as they once were.  We are human, with human perceptions, if you even tried to play at being or understanding as a god, you would destroy yourself.

  And the Devine from an etymologist point of view, well thats what mankind would like to achive in the afterlife, to show that they were virtuous in life, and there was a word needed to define that.  Funny how we have to define things isn't it.
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Re: An idea
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 12:54:00 AM »
heyy guys what up i haven't made any new topics in awhile and i thought of something
and have decided to post it

it is the reason why man cannot understand the concept of god (at least in the christian view)
and it simply ignorance but in a way i haven't heard from another before

and before i start using interpretive sayings il get to the point

god is not simply good
this is the reason we are failing in becoming what mankind was meant to become
god is both good and evil
he is and embodiment of both at the same time

he has murdered, he has saved to put it plainly

if god is simply existence, if existence can only exist through god and god was simply good there would be no evil
because it would simply not be able to exist
the fact that we believe it to exist means it has to exist in god

really the perfect symbol for him would be the yin/yang
because he is light within perfect darkness and still darkness within perfect light

anyways the point being is
in order for humans to achieve, understand, or even really appreciate god or his will
humans must invite the balance of perfect evil and perfect good into him


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Re: An idea
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 11:54:26 PM »
What is true purity?
Nirvana?
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Re: An idea
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2009, 12:47:08 AM »
What is true purity?
Nirvana?

  Purity is something mankind will never achive

  Nirvana is Valhala is Shangra-La is Heaven.  Different terms to address the same thing.
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Re: An idea
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2009, 01:06:13 AM »
as a mortal like the rest of us on this forum we cannot comprehend true purity because we do not understand how the designer of this universe truly thinks,
to put it plainly, in order to understand true purity we must realize the designer's true nature and unfortunately instead of helping as a medium to this goal our religions are to busy creating quarrell and are to busy arguing over who is right; they do not realize that there are multiple paths to this great entity (or entirety)

once humanity realizes unity and creates a suitable society we can then pursue our spiritual ambition
it does not seem feasible that one could hear the existence of 'god' while focusing on deadlines and personal as well as world issues
as well, we should realize as special as our religions are they only govern one universe and although they may be used like a medium to reach 'god'
they are each faulty, this is for one reason
no religion has truly been started by the emissaries of god that allegedly founded them
the catholic and christian church is one il mention because Jesus did not start this religion people who admired Jesus did, and those who seeked to manipulate did.
and so these are man made religions and as such they may only be used as an aiding agent to finding 'god'

we have basically created a god based on what we want, we keep it around because it helps us hold morality
this is only my opinion and is not meant to offend anyone

o and i believe in Jesus as the son of god however my opinion differs from others
one thing i believe is in the stories of enoch and elijah becoming immortals (being transformed into angels and being deemed lesser yahweh) their names became Metatron and Sandalphon
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Re: An idea
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2009, 01:40:23 PM »
Muerte,I understand that society can NEVER achieve true purity.We as a community have too much evil in our hearts...how could an individual achieve purity?I understand that Nirvana is another word for Heaven but isn't it different than Heaven? I though Nirvana was a plane of enlightenment and pure happiness?In Nirvana there is a  different god(s) than vallhalla right I mean doesn't that involve Normadic Gods?
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