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Witches Brew => Dreaming => Topic started by: Vivid777 on September 01, 2008, 06:11:39 AM
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I have a lot of experience with lucid dreaming, as I imagine a lot of others on this site would also have.
To put it basically, lucid dreaming is when you are dreaming and then, inside that dream, actually become fully aware or concious of the fact you are dreaming. Many would have experienced this in this first basic form, maybe without realising the real power of being in this state. You can train yourself to do just about anything while in this lucid dreaming state. I am reminded of my early childhood, at the age of 7, where I had a series of lucid dreams every night for two weeks in which I was trained by some unseen concious force how to fly in my dreams. Now, in my dreams, if I encounter a difficult situation or have simply had enough of the dream I am in, I can simply fly off somewhere else any time I want. Whether that is for a kilometre or so, around the world, into space in our universe or even to fly to different levels of reality. This is but one small example of the power of lucid dreaming, giving you ultimate control in any dream situation. When you develop this ability, nightmares become a thing of the past, there are only dreams. If it is a good dream that you like, you can stick around and enjoy it to it's fullest as you are "awake" or concious in the dream, so have full control over what you do. And of course, if it is a dream you do not particularly care for, you can simply fly off and do something else, or take any number of actions to change the nature of your dream.
I have started this thread for the discussion of this topic, as well as for members who may wish to seek advice on developing their own powers of lucid dreaming.
Vivid
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Brilliant Idea, Vivid!! I want to know how to get out of my nightmares! They're always twisted and the only thing I can ever really remember is that they're trying to kill me. (My ex-hubby and one other person I know... the others are just 'them'.)
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I can usually take charge of my dreams, but I let them play out sometimes without my interference because I'm just that way. However, when things get bad I tend to think,"Hey, I'm totally dreaming now. Let's get outta here!" and change things at will or something. Sometimes I can't change things (typically when I am being attacked in a dream or something for some reason) so I wake myself up.
A trick I tend to use if I really want to make sure I have a lucid dream from the beginning, regardless of the dream being good or bad, is to read about it. I no longer have my book as I gave it away to someone I felt needed it more (but now that bridge is burned so I won't ask her for the title), but at night right before I would go to bed I would read the section about lucid dreams and have that fresh on my brain. I'm sure there are many different approaches to lucid dreaming, but that is something that helps me.
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Do you remember anything about the book, Dae????
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Well, a couple of things I remember them saying I will list below:
1) Note a commonality between all of your dreams, e.g. funky colors, distorted figures, etc., and as you go to sleep say something like, "When I see _____, I will know that I am dreaming" over and over as you go to sleep and it should be in your subconcious that when you see that thing, you are dreaming.
My commentary: Hasn't worked for me yet.
2) Test yourself frequently in your waking life for dreams. You know, testing if something will change at will, or pinching yourself, something like that. Make it a habit and you will begin to start doing it in your dreams and learn when you are dreaming.
My commentary: I keep forgetting to try.
I can't remember anything else atm, but I will go see if I can find the title of the book.
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I would really love to learn more on this Lucid Dreaming stuff... I think it could help me...
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Dream Finder: Discovering the Divine Through Your Dreams is the book I got that from (I think). There are bazillions of other books on lucid dreaming and other things like that, just check out your local bookstore in the New Age or Tarot section, or check out Amazon.com.
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Thanks Dae! I'll have to do that when I can get some extra cash. :wink:
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Anyone here have trouble with lucid dreaming?
Every single time I manage to accomplish it, everything seems to be going great, but then, out of nowhere, I go nuts and commit suicide. Seriously.
it's almost like my mind is preventing me from having that amount of control. Can anyone tell me how I can overcome this obstacle?
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It sounds to me like you are having a problem leaving your comfort zone. Humans, whether we like to admit it or not, are creatures of habit, we function best when we are in the normal routine.
If we try anything new, our subconscious minds might not now how to react, having never been in that situation before. So it simply refuses to cooperate.
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Hahaha sorry thats funny. Don't ask why just accept it.
I can sometimes control my dreams.If it is a regular dream and not a nightmare and a_____(what ever the future dreming is called) dream. Sometimes I could control the nightmares but it was more like my mind only had two or three options.
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It sounds to me like you are having a problem leaving your comfort zone. Humans, whether we like to admit it or not, are creatures of habit, we function best when we are in the normal routine.
If we try anything new, our subconscious minds might not now how to react, having never been in that situation before. So it simply refuses to cooperate.
What evidence do you have to support this claim? I'm most interested to know where you got this knowledge! :-)
Hahaha sorry thats funny. Don't ask why just accept it.
Perhaps I'm just being stiff, but I don't find dreaming about killing myself to be very amusing. If you do, I think something is very, very wrong with you.
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No not that, sorry.I meant what she said about humans.
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Oh, okay. Sorry about the misunderstanding dude.
There are few things I take seriously, but waking up after a dream about shooting myself in the head is just something I can't laugh about.
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I wouldn't either. And do you have these types of dreams all the time, cause that would make me go crazy.
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Well, every time I try to go lucid in a dream, yeah..
I don't always have nightmares, but they happen quite a lot. Also, I suffer from sleep paralysis and sleep paralysis-induced hallucinations as well.
In fact, I got a tattoo of one of the recurring hallucinations I have when have an episode of sleep paralysis happens. I might post a pic here some day.
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Cool that'd be aswome.
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A trick I tend to use if I really want to make sure I have a lucid dream from the beginning, regardless of the dream being good or bad, is to read about it. I no longer have my book as I gave it away to someone I felt needed it more (but now that bridge is burned so I won't ask her for the title), but at night right before I would go to bed I would read the section about lucid dreams and have that fresh on my brain. I'm sure there are many different approaches to lucid dreaming, but that is something that helps me.
That's a good idea, I may try that tonight before I go to bed. I did manage to have a lucid dream once, but since then I haven't been able to achieve it.
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I have had two lucid dreams recently, but both times it was nightmares, and only in the second dream was I able to accomplish anything by being aware that it was just a dream.
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Eh, I'm not a fan of lucid dreaming, I prefer to just get my dreams done and over with, though I have several times been able to tell that it was a dream, but everytime that happens I wake up, sigh. . .
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Try looking at it like this 7VII7
your dreaming self isn't a fan of your dreamt waking reality.
For now it just prefers to get it over and done with, though several times you have woken up from your waking sleep.
Everytime that has happened so far though, you just ignore it and go back to your waking sleep, sigh..
See if you can actually grab this perspective rather than seeing it as a quirky intellectual twist.
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So from what I understand from your post your one of those people that think life is the dreams and your dreams are what is really happening? Because other then that your post makes no sense. . .
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Yep your on the right track with that line of thought.
Personally I view them both as real and valid experiences of your total self.
As such I see them as interdependent.
You ignore one because the other one is ignoring you.
Up until now that was.
But this is just the quirky intellectual twist I mentioned earlier.
Can you imagine what your life would be like if you really embodied this view?
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It would be beyond description...
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I'm not sure if this would be considered a lucid dream, but I really didn't want to make a new thread for this:
I had a dream a little while back where I was helping this girl with some things, I don't really remember what, but she needed help. Halfway through, I'm not sure if it was praying or what, but I asked God or whatever deity there was, IF there was a deity, to find help the girl after I woke up.
Is that weird or what?
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Dreams ARE as real as what we see/feel/do in what most think of as reality.
I, myself while Dreaming, am not only am completely aware
(able to use all my collective senses)
but able to do basically what I desire ie... see what I want,
who I would like to, talk to friends....
(the trick to always have complete recall later is elusive at times for me )
I do look forward to to the day I can move on
to the point my Dream life will have more influence
on "daily" life,
than the usual memory/psychological processing from life
Effecting Dream...
and then merge.
Bridigid
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Sounds like a wonderful goal that .
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any hints or tricks to get there, ob1,
that you care to share with the class? :-D
Bridigid
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What if your dreaming only affects your perception, and not the perceptions of others? what then? when you can see things nobody else sees, and feel what no body else feels?
What if you were labled insane? (i'm already labled insane, by my peers..... just not enough to be admitted to a mental institution/ward thingy, just wondering what you would do)
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I think what you are talking about here Raz is dreaming at a a level that is akin to imagination and memory.
If i remember some event who else can see it. Chances are no one.
Same with imagination. I can imagine some hot chick all i want but all you might see is a far away look and a smile.
Of course if you took these mental images and feelings as real events you would rightly be labelled nuts. That is classical delusional thinking thats all.
However if some hot chick decided to sit on my lap and start kissing my neck, thats different; Thats an actual event that is percievable by others.
Similarly if i have a dream and interactions with someone and they too have identical experiences then this is a mutually experiencable reality.
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I had a recent Dream it went something (well just about exactly) like this...
after quite a ...steamy interlude with a the object of my affection,
we went for a walk down through the neighborhood.
we were the only ones seemingly in this world...
one with vivid greens and a pink sky.
we come into a field...
At this point I get pulled out of this Dream
by someone ( a friend) wanting to speak to me.
He says he want to give me a demonstration
of his power and in effect show his supremacy...
I find myself back in the field.
I heard a shout from a disembodied voice
telling me to move.
I ducked and a large object came
from the side
(barely missing my head)
hurling towards my lover...
I knew it was the "friend"
and I was not the target.
while he is responding,
I turn to see the One attacking
with plans of decimating this interloper.
It is seemingly human with panther markings
all over his body.
As I move towards it
it's pack proceed toward me from behind a huge rock.
I pulled out this point,
removing myself from dream
in a panic...
my fear was not for me
but the safety
of the one I adore.
I felt sick having left him there.
This needs no analysis.
I am fully aware of what happened,
and why.
Bridigid
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Most of my dreams I have are lucid now. Well, instead of wanting to get out of my dreams when I realize I am dreaming I usually just want to do things that I can't do when I am awake, like flying, shifting into wolf form etc.
I've trained myself to do a lot of things in my dreams since I was a kid. :-)
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Its horrible. I lost that ability at age 13! i don't know why!
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I always wake up the instant I get lucid... I keep thinking "oh its just a dream... *blink*" then I'm awake :(
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I still haven't learned how. My dumb@ss is stuck there until I wake up... and sometimes I can't even do that.
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That only happened to me once when I was in elementary school...it was strange I remember choosing to hide under a chair from a dragon and went into this house on the moon and all the kids that picked on me were shipped away off the planet on rockets at my free will...It felt so real,haha
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Apparently a good technique to induce lucid dreaming is to write the same thing on your hand, day after day, until, while you are dreaming, you start to notice it's not there and begin to realise you are dreaming.
A phrase my friend is using is 'I am Awake' and he's had quite good results so far.
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I"m not sure I understand that concept....
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Apparently a good technique to induce lucid dreaming is to write the same thing on your hand, day after day, until, while you are dreaming, you start to notice it's not there and begin to realise you are dreaming.
A phrase my friend is using is 'I am Awake' and he's had quite good results so far.
That's something I'll have to try... There's also the MILD method. It works the same way, you ask yourself if you're dreaming every time you see something specific. After a while, you'll start realizing you're dreaming.
I"m not sure I understand that concept....
Basically, you end up checking several times a day if you're dreaming or not, because every time you see the writing on your hand, you ask yourself "Am I dreaming?" So when you see that there isn't anything written on your hand you start to realize you're sleeping and that's when you get lucid.
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Ohh.. I see. So, instead of someone trying to kill me, I could make myself wake up??
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Yeah. Although, if you're already trying to wake up, wouldn't that mean you're conscious that you're dreaming, that you're lucid? You said sometimes you just couldn't wake up... I always get lucid by the end of nightmares, around the time when I know I'm gonna die or I just see something too freaky. I go "Hey, it's just a dream!", calm down, and wake up.
I think this happens to a lot of people because theoretically, you shouldn't be able to die in a dream. If you were to die in a dream, you'd die in reality, too, since when you're dreaming, your mind is still receiving all the sensory signals and if your brain receives the message that your heart's stopped beating... You get the idea... It's just something we were taught in biology two years ago, I'm not sure if it was proven, though.
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When I say I can't wake up, I mean that I wake up for less than a heartbeat, but fall right back asleep and right back into that dream. I'll do that repeatedly. It's horrible.. and depending on the dream, terrifying.
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Wow, that's never happened to me. :-o Not in a nightmare anyway. The only time something similar happened, I was getting up, getting ready for school, then I wake up in my bed. I get up, eat breakfast, etc., then wake up in bed... VERY annoying... When I really woke up, I was late and missed the bus...
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It's never happened during a sex dream, lol. Only during my most horrible nightmares. And when I finally do wake up, I can't tell reality from the dream for a little while, so I'm very confused and I need comforting. It's a trial for whoever's stuck with me.
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I find that if I wake up in the middle of a dream, I feel like I've suddenly dropped onto the bed from a great height, I'm still pressed into the bed.
Strangest feeling ever.
Then I commence my repeating the dream and fixing up everything that went bad in it and making it into something good and finishing off whatever I was dreaming about, until everything feels alright again. :roll:
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Gods I wish I could do that.....
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I find that if I wake up in the middle of a dream, I feel like I've suddenly dropped onto the bed from a great height, I'm still pressed into the bed.
Strangest feeling ever.
Then I commence my repeating the dream and fixing up everything that went bad in it and making it into something good and finishing off whatever I was dreaming about, until everything feels alright again. :roll:
Yeah, I get the falling thing once in a while too... It can get freaky if you're having a nightmare o_O.
You'll have to tell me how you get back into the same dream :-P I never managed to... There are so many dreams I woulda wanted to, though T_T
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I find that if I wake up in the middle of a dream, I feel like I've suddenly dropped onto the bed from a great height, I'm still pressed into the bed.
Strangest feeling ever.
Then I commence my repeating the dream and fixing up everything that went bad in it and making it into something good and finishing off whatever I was dreaming about, until everything feels alright again. :roll:
Yeah, I get the falling thing once in a while too... It can get freaky if you're having a nightmare o_O.
You'll have to tell me how you get back into the same dream :-P I never managed to... There are so many dreams I woulda wanted to, though T_T
No I simply go back over the dream while I'm awake. I've never been able to fully sink back into the same dream when going back into sleep, I agree, if I could, I would absolutely love it at times as well.
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Ok... I seriously need some help here. I had another series of nightmares that I couldn't wake up from early this morning. I woke up for a split second, only to fall right into another one.
The first one I can't seem to remember at all. It's just the feeling of having a nightmare.. an unknown evil, so to speak. And the second..(I'm trying hard to remember details, so bear with me, please.) I was in a car crash on a 6 lane highway. My car was a modified highchair and the vehicle in front of me was an open-air box truck. It had PVC pipe around the back and I got close as I was 'driving' so I could see in the back, but when I got up there, I started to slip out of the front of my high-chair 'car', so I grabbe the PVC pipe to push myself back up, but somehow that made the truck in front of me flip. It went back over front and flung me through the air. Afterwards, I remember looking for traffic and trying like crazy to get the guy that was driving off of the road. I took my coat off and put him on it and slid him over. Then all these people that have been or are mean to me and dislike me, started showing up and poking and prodding at me and blaming me for everything. They said I was in pain because my toes were broken and needed straightened out, so I pulled on both of them to fix them. What I remember most about this, was all the pain. Two of my toes were sideways, not as in snapped, but twisted, and my ankle was swelling up really badly. I also remember in my dream that my bf wasn't anywhere near me because I was on my way to see him. His parents showed up at the crash, though. And then, so did he. He pretty much told everyone to get the hell away from me and then he helped me up and let me lean on him as he took me over to a recliner. We sat down and he cuddled me until the ambulance got there. But all through this, I remember the pain. So much so that when I finally woke up for real, I expected my toes and ankle to be hurt. I kept rubbing them across the end of my bed and when I got up to let my dog out, I still had to look down and see that they were normal.
I can't keep doing this... it's so hard for me to come back to reality after one of these episodes... I'm really afraid that one day I won't be able to.
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A simple remedy to this would be to realise you are dreaming whilst in the middle of these dreams.
Other than the horror part you have some very cool ultra realistic stuff going on when you are asleep.
Itd be dumb NOT to develop what you obviously have a talent for.
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A simple remedy to this would be to realise you are dreaming whilst in the middle of these dreams.
Other than the horror part you have some very cool ultra realistic stuff going on when you are asleep.
I know I'm dreaming the entire time.. and I'm trying to wake myself up... which I do... for a heart beat... then right back into the same or another nightmare. And when I do wake up, the remnants of the nightmare are so strong, that I don't know if it was real or not. I have that problem with regular dreams as well, so you can imagine how much more terrible it is with nightmares.
Itd be dumb NOT to develop what you obviously have a talent for.
What talent??
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If you are aware that you are dreaming why not have a bit more fun with the contents.
Dreams are THE place where your daily rules dont have to apply. For example who says you have to be scared by any of this?
Being scared by these scenes is a habit you learnt from being awake. The rules here are different. They are MUCH MUCH more flexible.
If you know then you are dreaming then get curious about what your body is capable of in dreams. Toes pointing sideways is a cinch. Broken bones, skin peeling off etc, its all under your control in a dream. It doesnt have to hurt or be scary.
Get curious about it all, play with whats possible.
When you start to control your dreams and the conents of them, then its likely that the whole mood and feel of them will transform too. Its very much like learning to drive. Its daunting and scary to start with. Eventually its fun and second nature.
Your talent is that you are a great dreamer. All you have to do now is learn to drive your dreams rather than being in perpetual dreamt car crashes.
Thats the essence of it anyway.
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It doesnt have to hurt or be scary.
It doesn't just hurt in the dream, though. My toes hurt for hours after I woke up.
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I think what OldBill is trying to say Kadesh is, experiment with bending the rules. Pain is something we experience while we are awake so try to bend your perception of it in your dreams until the pain no longer bothers you while in that situation.
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At this point ryobi i award you the babel fish medal for services to universal translation.
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At this point ryobi i award you the babel fish medal for services to universal translation.
As babel fish is such a shyte translator ima think you're making fun of me Raz gawsh, you git...
Not too mention OldBill is a lovely man with many pretty, cohesive words at his disposal ^.^
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I have to correct something I said earlier... I don't realize I'm dreaming in the entire dream. It's only after I do that split-second wake up and fall right back in.
I had another one last night. I've had this dream before, but there were certain things that changed. In this dream, I got shot and when I woke up, I was still in pain. I had to check in the bathroom mirror to see if there was a mark. I could put my finger on the exact spot... it didn't hurt to push, but it hurt in general.
I want to sleep more so I don't have to think as much, but I have such trouble sleeping.. and when I do sleep, I seem to have these disturbing dreams or outright nightmares. I'm getting to the point where I don't want to fall asleep anymore.
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@ Ryobi
Damn. I felt exactly same as you! The feeling like you are falling. Especially when i die in my dream. Btw, nice display pic.
@Kadesh
Lol... It happened to me before. But luckily my dream is not really realistic. I just can remember where i got hit then when i woke up and check... It indeed hurt a bit.
K... I remember someone post about when you die in a dream, you die in reality. Are you serious?? Damn! I dream that i die a several times before. 1 of the dream was i was a monk and i was in a bank(i don't know for what reason), a robbery happened. I tried to reason with the robbers. Instead of listening to me, i felt a sound then something hit my head. Hard. I can feel i fell down and it really feels i was really dead. The eyes looking at floor and shoes moving around. Then there was silent and black stuff cover my vision.
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Hello,
Does anyone know various herbs that can be used to enhance lucid dreaming and memory recall?