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LetterEphesus
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To Hunt a Demon
« on: September 23, 2008, 04:43:09 PM »
Greetings, one and all. I am quite new to these forums, as you may have noticed; this being my very first post, but I am far from a beginner on the subject of demons. True, I am even farther from an expert, and the mainstream study of demonology is not my strength, but I have insight none the less. I have been lurking on these forums for a while now, looking at the different ideas and posts of people on the topic of demons and such, and I believe I should step in and give a word. I may be considered a hunter, but I don't like that term all too well, and my insight doesn't stop there. Anyone with questions may ask, but I must always advise against taking up such a thing.

(for those of you are saying "who the f*ck is this guy?", just let the thread grow. Believe what you want, we are all entitled to that, but you will soon see that I am who I claim to be.)

Now allow me to take the time to post all of which I know, and relay it onto you.

First I will tackle simple protection. Now, if any of you have read up on your lore, you might notice that salt comes into play quite often. There is some validity behind this, after all the good book does say we are "the salt of the earth". Rock Salt, Sea salt, and if you must use it table salt can be used to ward off things of evil. Creating a line of salt on the windowsills and doors may keep out demons, and enclosing yourself within a salt circle may do the same. Though I must say, I am not positive that it will keep all demons out. The next would be hallowed objects. Sadly, these mean nothing. The images of the cross and such are so commonly used that they can mean nothing at all. Instead, an object prayed over and blessed would be effective. Lastly, for protection purposes, you might want to use prayer and invocation of the name YHWH or the Christ. There are more unconventional means of protection via magick and hoodoo, but I do not suggest these.

   Now, for those of you worried about your friends, or going after one of these creatures, you should learn some tips on identifying demonic presences. In many cases, demons can draw energy from electronic devices, so electronics going haywire around an area or person could be a clue; as could cold-spots and hot-spots similarly, but keep in mind that many spirits can have such effects, not only demonic ones. Then there are those demons that possess men. These are a bit easier to detect in most cases. If you are close to the person in question, you will notice a change for the worse in their behavior. This may include a maniacal delight in wielding power, abnormal strength, speed, or intelligence, knowledge of a language which the person in question does not know, two or more discernible personalities (though be careful not to confuse this with schizophrenia), violent behavior, lack of self control (especially sexually related), disregard for personal appearance and health, and an uncanny response toward the mention of the Christ. Of course, these behaviors should only be considered demonic if they are unusual for the person in question. If you can’t be sure of this, or if you aren’t close to the person, you might want to try getting them to touch a blessed object (any object prayed over by a priest or preacher) or spraying them with Holy Water. If possessed, they will react with pain or discomfort. You should also know that demonic possession has two…forms, lets say. Active and inactive. When active, the demon is in full control of the body. When inactive, the person is in control, but still slightly under the demon’s influence. Some cases may be entirely active or entirely inactive. In either case, the above should be effective, albeit less effective/noticeable in an inactive possession.

   Once the demon realizes that you know who he/she/it is, it might try to flee. Once this happens, or if you think a demon has been in an area and fled, you will want to track it. This is extremely difficult, but it can be done through omens. Most of the time, demons bring omens wherever they go, similar to the way they affect electronics. Identifying omens is hard, but they may include changes in weather, increased amount of insects etc. In order to identify a demon’s omen, you will need to know the locations of the demon at certain times and then you must gather information about the area at that time. If you can’t find its omen, or if it has none, it is almost impossible to conventionally track it. However, you may want to follow its pattern of attack. Usually the demons goal is to get the person they possess to commit suicide, and there is always a pattern it follows when attacking, so once you gather at least two definite demon attacks you can try to draw out a pattern and predict where it will strike next. Then there are the unconventional means of tracking through psychics and magics, but as I said before I do not recommend the use of such things.

   Finally, the time will come when you must confront a demon. When this happens, it is important to be prepared. One thing you would want to do is set up a base camp near or at the supposed location of the demon. Then, so you aren’t caught off guard, you should set up motion detectors or EMF detectors to alarm you if anything comes near. You will also want to draw the pentacles shown in Solomon’s Key (I have seen it mentioned much here, so I hope you are all familiar with it), to trap the demon. I would suggest the Grand Pentacle. Once you have a demon captured within the circle, you should then use an exorcism to banish it from its bodily shell and send it away. Now, if you can trap it in its incorporeal form, there are exorcisms that deal with sending a demon to hell, which should be used accordingly. Of course, you can’t always trap the demon, and you might have to face it hand-to-hand. If this happens, I strongly suggest flight from the scene, for the demon will undoubtedly be stronger and faster than you. However, if you feel strong enough to combat it (and I would hope you are a believer in Christ), there are some things you should know. First off, blessed weapons that deal with close range can be deadly, since it is quite hard to get that close to such a foe without getting hurt. Instead, I recommend some sort of long range weapon. I personally use holy water guns, but any other weapon you can think of (when blessed) should work fine. Though I must warn you to keep in mind that whatever happens to the body of the possessed will remain after the demon has fled, so try not to hurt the person inside. I have also frequently heard of expelling and combating of demons through psychic power. I wouldn’t recommend it, but sometimes I find it may be necessary. However, magick, hoodoo, and occult practices are by no means approvable by me. 

   You might also want to know a thing or two about demonic behavior so you can be better prepared. If you seek information from the demon such as name or information on other demons (preferably not on random knowledge or such), and you have it within a devil’s trap, you should know the following. Demons can be very manipulative. Guard your mind and heart so as not to be wavered in faith or belief. Some demons can also read minds, and use that to build up emotion to drive you to do things. Be careful where you tread, and if you feel you are wavering stop immediately and dispose of the demon or flee. You should also know that demons tend to lie, so don’t always trust the information they give you. Try to use their pride against them, for I find that demons have much pride.



Now I shall present to you some information I have gathered that leans more to the theoretical side.

As some of you may know, demons in their true form are incorporeal and invisible. However, they can still affect our world. I find the only way this is possible is the same way that remnants of the deceased are able to interact with us: Through compiled and various energies. This being said, demons must draw in energy from our world in order to manifest in any way. This would explain electrical devices going haywire, hot-spots and cold-spots. The demon is “feeding”. However, even I have encountered a demon when no such things were evident. This, and a talk with a friend, has led me to believe that they can draw in energy through many sources. The sun, the earth, etc. This then explains “omens”, used to track demons. When the demon wants to manifest, it must draw in energy, and omens are the affects of that energy withdrawal. Allow me to explain: As I stated, malfunctioning electronics and cold/hot-spots can be a sign of demonic presence. These would be regarded as miniature omens. The demon draws in energy from the electricity, heat, etc., creating these affects. Larger omens are created similarly. For example, the demon may draw in geothermic energy, causing the ground to heat up, which in turn causes the air around it to heat up and rise, which will then create clouds and eventually electrical storms. Therefore, theoretically speaking, as long as the demon is manifesting, it can be followed, or tracked.
(demons may also feed off of fear; the remnants of which cannot be determined except through interviews of victims, making them some of the most difficult to follow)

I will now attempt to explain other creatures I believe are linked to the demonic. (this still falling under my theoretical bit.)

Oni
In Japanese legends, Oni are essentially demons; invisible, evil spirits that cause disease, disasters and to otherwise harm humans. Their current depiction is based on another old legend, saying that the direction of northeast was the direction of the “demon gate”, or “kimon”. Based on the Chinese Zodiac, this direction is the ushi/tora, or ox/tiger, direction. The Oni is depicted as having bovine horns and feline claws, fangs and such. This has led me to believe that perhaps the Oni come from this kimon, this demon gate. There is yet another legend, not particularly Japanese, which speaks of a demon gate, or more commonly devil’s gate or hell’s gate. If there lies a relation, this could mean that Oni are nothing more than demons who have come through such a gate out of hell and into the real world. Whether or not demons come from hell is uncertain, but what is certain is that they can be sent there. If they can come out through such a gate, this would mean they would have a newfound hatred for whoever sent them there, and possibly all humans, for hell is a place where you would not your worst enemy, and its not far from likely that whatever comes from there will be angry as…well…hell. If this is the case, then it is equally likely that whatever managed to get out is very strong, or perhaps stronger. Oni should be handled with caution. According to some Japanese legends, Oni can be warded off with the smell of burning sardines, which may relate to the smell of burning flesh that would supposedly be found in hell. I would definitely suggest this practice if you think you are facing an Oni.

Nephilim
According to the Bible, the Nephilim are a mixed race of (fallen) angels and men, created by angels who looked with lust upon earth’s women, a plan led by Satan to infect the seed of Abraham, since the Christ would come from that line. The Bible also claims they are the “heroes of old, men of renown”. (…Probably attributing the Nephilim to many unconfirmed legends of extraordinary men.) Later on in the book, the Israelites come across Giants living in the Promised Land, and believe they are Nephilim, meaning that the race probably consisted of giant men. There is also mention of a man named Goliath, who was a giant. It is believed that he and four others were Nephilim. What’s more is that each one was slain by David and his men; Goliath in a more popular story where David downed him with a stone and slew him. I have often wondered how a creature of such heritage be slain like any ordinary man, and I have come to one of two conclusions. The Nephilim must either be drowned, as was with the flood, or beheaded after death. This bleeds into the next section.
(It should be noted that some Christian demonologists regard Nephilim as demons)

Vampires of Lore
The “living dead” is a legend that has survived through the years, even if it has changed quite a bit. After much research, I have come to a(nother) conclusion. It is said that the Nephilim were eaters of human flesh, and that evil spirits came from them. Since it is somewhat established that not all Nephilim are giants, it is safe to assume that not all Nephilim ate flesh either. Taking this in mind, it brings me back to demons and omens. The evil spirits that come out from the Nephilim could represent the fact that they take on the incorporeal form that demons do, probably because they are so closely linked. If they do in fact house a spirit like a demon within them, similar to possession, the Nephilim would need to feed on something to continue to operate within that shell. This could bring about omens around them as they fed off of whatever energy they could find. One type of energy could have been blood, which is said to contain the life-force or soul. Some Nephilim would have eaten flesh and drank blood to survive, which could easily bring about much Vampiric lore: Beheading, the drinking of another’s blood, and possibly turning to mist or shapeshifting. This may not explain the weakness toward silver, but I’m sure that some myths are just that; myths. And since they can only die a certain way, it explains the Vampire’s “immortality”. And if a vampiric nephilim could transfer his blood to another body, chances are he could transfer all of these demonic traits as well. (bringing about the drinking of a vampire’s blood theory) These creatures are what I would call “Rephaim”, which is Hebrew for “the dead ones”. (Note that the Rephaim are mentioned in the Bible as Giants similar to Nephilim). The only thing that remains is the rise of other dead corpses becoming Vampires, with no evidence of being turned by a Rephaim. The explanation is quite simple: “and evil spirits came out of them”. Their demonic spirit could probably have possessed the dead or even the living, drawing the energy they need from human blood. These I would call “demonic vampires”. Of course, Sanguine and Psychic vamps could be a denatured mix of human and demon; not to offend.
(I have not forgotten about the other Nephilim. They would mostly be killed by the flood and King David, but some could have survived in society throughout the ages.)

Wendigo
For those of you who know the Wendigo legend, you might have already noticed the similarities between it and the legends of Vampires. For those of you who don’t know, I’ll brush you up a bit. The Natives of America, before the settlers, told stories of extremely tall, gaunt, flesh eating men called Wendigoes. This could easily be explained the Rephaim. Bloodthirsty giants.

Werewolves of Lore
I have another theory for the age old werewolves. One of the Grigori who helped create Nephilim was named Sariel. He was in charge of teaching men about the moon. However, like the rest of the Grigori at the time, he fell to lust and sexual desires, and the book of Enoch states that the Grigori engaged in bestiality as well (producing ‘monsters’). I believe it is safe to assume that Sariel did such things as well. In doing so, he could have created an offspring with, say , a wolf, and produced what is essentially a werewolf. Sariel’s involvement would explain the belief that werewolves transform under the full moon.

Other Shapeshifters
The above being said, I believe it is also likely that similar roots apply to other shapeshifters, and perhaps even explains the various means by which they shapeshift. Those creatures born of Sariel, wolf, human, or other, transform under the moon, while one born of Armaros, the teacher of enchanments, would transform after undergoing a certain magical spell. (Or after being exposed to magical energy.) And perhaps one born of Shemyaza, he who taught men of weapons, would transform after “death”, which could add to the Vampires of Lore.


Zombies
The other living dead could be explained by the demonic vampires possessing the dead, but since not all zombies eat flesh and drink blood, it could be explained simply by demonic possession.

My goal was to share my information with the lesser experienced, and I hope you can all benefit from my knowledge; I tried to put down as much as I could. If you have any questions, ask away.
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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 04:46:32 PM »
Hello ^_^  Would you like for me to call you Letter, Ephesus, or LE?  Or something else?? ^_^

If I may begin, how would you define "demon?"

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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 04:49:26 PM »
Now since the best way to teach is to answer questions (in my opinion anyway), let the questioning ensue.

It's the best way to teach because it gives you direction in where to make things up.
if you are who you claim to be, give us all your knowledge without being prompted. Waiting to answer questions makes you look phony right from the get-go.

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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2008, 04:52:24 PM »
@Daemonin: Ephesus, or Ephy, will do fine.

Now, the term "demon" is indeed an obscure one, but my definition of a demon would be one of the following:

1. A fallen Angel
or
2. The offspring of a fallen angel

Of course, this is but my definition. There are others, but I usually have names for those things too.

@thneedly: Point taken.

Give me, if you will now, the time to post all of which I can. After that, then further questions will ensue. Satisfactory?

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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2008, 05:09:16 PM »
@thneedly: Point taken.

Give me, if you will now, the time to post all of which I can. After that, then further questions will ensue. Satisfactory?

It'll do.

Like Izzy said, tread lightly with me.
You wouldn't slather your penis in gravy and wave it in the face of hungry Rottweiler, and you don't want to set yourself up for failure around me. Both are eqully stupid and likely to cause you pain, although the former is physical and the latter is mental.
Can you dig it?

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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2008, 05:21:34 PM »
The first post has been modified and hopefully to your liking, however I am not positive on how much longer I have, so it is quite rushed. Of course there is more to be said, but hopefully those things will be answered through others questions, or perhaps through another later edit.

@Izairyn:

By Nether to you refer to the Netherland or Afterlife? If so, allow me to say that those back from the graves in my mind are regarded as ghosts. Whether or not they have been to hell and back or changed.

My perspective? Well According to the Bible, which I believe because of its remarkable accuracy in demonology, demons are the angels who once resided in heaven but were cast out for one reason or another. The first few were the followers of an angel called Lucifer. They believed that they could be better than God, and that he was wrong in his ways. This is considered sin, and subsequently, since no sin can be in heaven, they were cast to the earth. I believe angels continue to fall, which is why there continue to be many demons today. After all, one sin and theyre done.

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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2008, 05:26:02 PM »
My perspective? Well According to the Bible, which I believe because of its remarkable accuracy in demonology,

Imagine that! A belief system based on a book is verified by the book upon which it is based!
How ever could that be possible?!
:roll:

since no sin can be in heaven

Really now?
What about Isaiah 45:7?
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

The Bible is full of your outdated god slaying children, commanding the Hebrew people to rape women and children alike, plaguing innocent people with deadly diseases because they refused to drop their own beliefs and bow down to the religion of a bunch of nomadic barbarians, and condemning people to damnation simply because they could not follow a ridiculously complex set of rules.
Face it, your God is a petulant, power-tripping child that throws temper tantrums in the form of plagues, natural disasters, and Hellish beasts rising up from the Pit to punish innocent people.

You know why this is? Because thousands of years ago, it made sense to people to believe this garbage. The Bible truly is the greatest fantasy epic of all time, but it's nothing more. All the Bible is is a bunch of superstition, parables, and outright lies added in to influence the minds of the people that ancient priests and kings ruled over.
it serves no purpose in these advanced times, and neither do people like you.
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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2008, 05:31:44 PM »
If that's true, then I'm amazed there are really any angels left.

Of course, in my beliefs and thought processes, I feel that both the groups of "angels" and of "demons" are neither wholly good nor wholly evil.  They can do whatever it is that they so choose; neither is confined to being morally right nor morally wrong.

So... If I may, it's harmful demons you're hunting, right?

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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2008, 05:47:46 PM »
@thneedly

First of all, I believe I was asked my perspective on fallen angels and why I view them as demons, not why I believe in them. If you want to know, I expirienced demons before I ever took the words of the Bible seriously, but since the book seemed so accurate, I now believe it word for word.

Secondly, yes that verse does say the Lord "creates evil", but not in heaven. It is what he created with free will that became evil, so yes in a sense he did create evil, but he neither approves of it or commits it. Now if you wish to say that creating evil is evil, well it came about as free will, so God truly had no hand in the matter unlees free will was taken away, but why sacrifice the free will of all because of one or two that spawn evil? His goal was to create beings to worship him and for him to love, and he wanted them to choose to do so.

Now you say that God did all these cruel things. I shall tackle each one. God slaying children. Our God is a God of war, so in times of war, true, sometimes none survived, but they recieved their due punishment. God has never told men to rape anyone to my knowledge, but of course, I wouldnt care much for that unless scripture was quoted. Then you say he plagues people because they refuse to bow down. I will ask you now for quotes, but I will say this: God punishes the wicked. Please quote all this though so I can answer more clearly. And also, God condemns no one, we condemn ourselves by sinning, and we will be punished duely.

@Daemonin:

Angels have free will as we do indeed, and indeed I hunt those who do harm to others.

Sadly now, it is time for me to take my leave, and I will lock the thread until then so I can answer all questions in a proper time frame.

Until we meet again
~Ephesus
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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 03:37:34 PM »
The first post has been improved, and I have decided to keep the thread open for discussion from now on. I hope I can be of assitance...

@thneedly:

The last thing I wanted was a religious debate, though I suppose it was inevitable. Please either create a new thread for this or do it via PM. This thread is meant to help those who are set on hunting demons.

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2008, 03:15:59 PM »
Nice opening post, LetterEphesus.

But I do feel inclined to mention one thing in particular...

Another common, and clear, indication of a demonic possession that I didn't see on your list (though increased intelligence is in the same ballpark), is the sudden ability to speak languages you know the subject could NOT speak before.

Also, I'm no expert on matters of magic, magik, or magick (lol). But, I was under the impression that Solomon's Key was in fact an article of witchcraft. Mostly because lack of evidence that it was written by Solomon. Would someone please clarify this matter?

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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2008, 04:23:57 PM »
Thank you for the addition, Echo, and though intelligence is in the same "ballpark", I see that your statement is worthy of mention.

Now as to Solomon's Key, true, there is very much a lack of evidence linking it to actually being written by Solomon, and I am fully aware that there is no evidence of it having been written even before the 17th century, but there are reasons why it can be trusted.

First of all, yes, witchcraft (or wicca) has taken the book and used it as a grimoire, but I have seen that the "Lesser" key of solomon is used more commonly. I do not believe that the lesser key was written by Solomon. I believe it was...someone else, who used the greater key as a basis and perhaps even used its means to summon a demon and learn more. But enough about the lesser key.

In the Bible, Solomon was the wisest man to have ever lived, after he asked for wisdom other than riches. This is one reason why I believe the key. This wisdom could have easily come with knowledge on such things. The Bible also says that Solomon offered sacrifices to false gods and worshipped them along with other things, and because of these sins he lost favor with God. I believe that the knowledge of the key is including here. These sacrifices to false gods, could have been the summoning and such of these demons, and God saw this as a sin.

Truthfully, this may mean that the mere drawing of these "magic circles" could be considered witchcraft also, but this is where my deductive reasoning comes in. God gave Solomon this knowledge, but it was up to Solomon to use it for good or evil. Summoning these creatures for your own personal gain is sinful, and it is punishable accordingly; and though many of these circles are used in summoning, they do not have to be used for that purpose. Knowledge is power, it is up to us how to use that power. I by no means ever have, or ever will, encourage the use of what I believe is witchcraft, and the pentacles are just about the only thing I would consider helpful from the Key of Solomon.

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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2008, 04:29:37 PM »
Understood. But shouldn't the safest route be complete devotion in the Lord (at least from a Christian standpoint)? It's a bit of a wide stretch; and a possibly destructive assumption. One I've often pondered, but never had the gumption to act upon.


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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2008, 04:40:26 PM »
Honestly, I believe that if someone is truly devoted to the Lord, they would never have these problems to begin with, and if they devote themselves completely to the Lord, the problem MAY end, but there are flaws in this.

You must realize that God does not have a hand in everything, he does not play with our lives like we are dolls. Most of the time, we must face the consequences of our actions. If you jump in front of a moving bus, God may save your soul, but the likelihood is that you will be run over; saved or not saved. The same thing applies here: Mess with the devil and you're gonna get the horns. You should also know that sometimes God may allow these things to happen to test your faith, or he may allow you to be harmed to test the faith of another. Since this is the case, other things can and should be done, and I believe they must always be done in the name of Christ.

However, there are non-believers out there with these problems, and I believe it is only humane to help them even if they cannot be turned.

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Re: To Hunt a Demon
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2008, 05:21:33 PM »
So... are you saying that if someone is not a Christian they cannot possibly hope to banish a malicious entity and must rely on a Christian God or Jesus to save them?

Because if that is what you are saying I would totally disagree.