[ravinclaw]

Now there are alot of them, and you dont even have to look that hard to find them.

Not only amoung the major religions of the world, but also amoung some of the lesser known  religions.  I have brought it upon myself to find the truth, and as of yet I have not found it.

Instead of writing 8 or 9 pages on this I leave it up to you,

[rave phillaphia]

well everything has some sort of similar meaning. It only changes when someone else percieves of that same thing a different way. Like the lotus flower can be found in Egyptian, Babylonian, Summarian, Hindu, Buddist, etc... The list goes on. Like how the star was a symbol of protection until way later when christians were useing as a sign of the devil to make people not use the 'pagan symbols' but it is coming back. Everything has its cycles and the symbols may stay the same but the meanings change and reverse all the time.

[ravinclaw]

Yes, you are right, but it runs deeper that that.

example:

two of the worlds most well known religions believe almost exactly the same thing, yet they refuse to even look at each others texts. They think it is a sin. How can knowledge be a sin?

Yes, Im talking about Jews and Muslims.
They are worshiping the same God!!!

they are ignorant of it and kill each other every chance they get.

It is the same story, told from a different point of view.

and there are other thing similarm, amoung many religions,
I think we nead to look into it open minded,
What do we have to fear?

[rave phillaphia]

Actually that has to deal with more of a recent century problem (jews vs. muslims), I recommend looking up the whole formation of the Israeli state after world war two and the six day war. It's really more about territory. They understand that they are worshipping the same god but a lot of christians don't lol. Even Muhammad protected the jews. It is just in the recent centuries that problems have arisen. And those who are not going out and reading each others texts are doing so because of prejudice. So really jews and muslims would be a good example for similarities but bad because muslims didn't start worshipping allah or god or whatever you want to call it till much much later. Before then they were worshipping local deities and persian leftover gods. But yes they have their similarities.

How about just christanity itself. There are so many groups interpreting the same texts differently. But apparently in liberation theology your suppose to interpret the texts in that it can have a liberating mean to those who are undergoing suppression.

[ravinclaw]

You make some good points, and in around about way what Im getting at is this.

Christianity stems from judism and if jews and muslims worship the same god,
el,   why the fighting? 

Oh, and Israel has been locked in a so called "holy war" way before WWII

but the point of this whole thread is mearley to discuss the similar things in religions world wide, and they are many

I have my expertese and Im sure you do to,
so I will ask a simple questioun and if you dont waunt to answer you dont have to but,
what religion are, and if you would, tell us alittle about it.
if you have noticed similaritys with other religions, point them out.

[jordyn]

technically if it were a sin for Christians to read Jewish texts then there'd be no old testament. 

Universal myth is really nothing new, i think i may even have a thread around here about it, you just have to follow the history of any faith to see where it came from and why the similarities exist; as for the fighting it causes i agree with rave along the political lines, where did Jesus  any Buddha or other genuinely attuned spiritual leader ever insist killing people resolves anything?  however toss in some land, vague dogma and my leader is better than your leader and the good messages get forgotten.

the Jews have been fighting for their Gd and faith since Abraham left paganism in Ur and any christian who denies the influence they had over christian faith is denying who Christ was and why He spoke out against their religious leaders as for any symbolism...that's strictly a human perception, what symbol or image did Adonai ever give His people to represent Him, directly? 
  
when people see their faith going where it didn't come from they'll stand up and disagree, the protestants versus the roman Catholics is perhaps the best known, but the Quakers versus the puritans is my favorite demonstration of this important option for a persons faith and the difference between hearing your God or letting human babble confuse His wisdom.  When men start talking for God and other humans accept those words blindly bad things happen, that's irrelevant to faith, religion or archetype.

The quakers won right? Thats why we eat quaker oats brand oatmeal.

[Devinoir]

You're a genius Raz.

[Ryobi]

This is quite true, there are a lot of similarities. As an astrologer, i'm'a say this usin' da stars  

Since religion first became patriarchal, the tracking of the stars allowed people to recognize and anticipate events which occurred over long periods of time, such as eclipses and full moons. Due to the sky's importance in every day life people began to personify these planetary bodies and stars through myths and as gods. The zodiac is one of the first recorded examples of this method. Leo, belongs to the sun and in later mythology the Sun was also attributed to such figures as Horus the solar messiah of Egypt.

Speaking generally and broadly, Horus was born on December 25th, his mother was Isis- Meri who was a virgin. According to myth when he was born a star in the East was present and 3 kings followed this star in order to locate Horus. He was a teacher of the people at a young age and at 30 he was baptized by Anup and went into the ministry. He had 12 disciples, and was known publicly by many names such as; The Truth, The Light, God's Annointed Son, The Good Shepherd and The Lamb of God. After being betrayed by a guy called Typhon, he was crucified, buried for 3 days and then came back to life.

These life events seem to also fit with many other religious figures of the time. For instance;

Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected. Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected. Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected. Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.

Not too mention Jesus Christ, I'm quite sure we are all familiar with his story... the point is, multiple 'saviours' seem to coincidentally fit a very particular mould. This should be noted.

Now to get back to the central idea of past civilisations personifying religious figures through the stars, it's could be that the birth sequence is entirely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, coincidentally brightest star in the night sky (as venus is not actually a star). Which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt (the 3 Kings). These 4 stars point like an arrow to the sunrise or on 25th of December. In other words, Three Kings followed the Star of the East to the birth of the sun.

The virgin mary is most likely the constellation of Virgo the ancient glyph for Virgo is an "m". This would explain why Mary along with other virgin mothers, such as Adonis's mother Myrrha, or Buddha's mother Maya begin with an M. Strangely enough Virgo is also referred to much more traditionally as the 'House of Bread'. Bethlehem translates literally to 'house of bread', this means the place is reference to somewhere in the sky, not here.

Another interesting thing that occurs on December 25th if the winter solstice. From the northern hemisphere, as the days become shorter and colder the sun appears to become smaller. This movement of the Sun and how it coincided with the crops being harvested and withering, was said to symbolise death.  By December 22nd, the Sun was officially at it's lowest point in the sky, it becomes stationary for 3 days and during this time is in line with the constellation 'Souther Cross', the it turns around and starts heading back up North, which in turn symbolises rebirth. However people don't celebrate this rebirth of the Sun until spring equinox because this is when the hours of light are longer than the hours of dark.

Therefore, basically all of the major religions in the world can be linked back to seasonal, celestial and utterly universal events and it is simply different cultures interpretations of the same events, that have led to the multiple religions we see here on earth.

(a lot more stuff to say but this is the general idea).

[Devinoir]

So you're an astrologist? That's why you wrote about Pluto. Simple and cute.

[ravinclaw]

jordyn was exactly right in his opening statement, the old testament is the jewish bible, and christians know that,

but ask a diehard christian to read a muslim text and watch what happens
they will go through the roof, I know, Ive made that sugestioun just to point out
the similaritys with the old testament.

I didnt know if I was going to get smacked or killed with prayer and quotes from the
bible.

And as far as the land disputes go, they have been fighting over a speck of desert,
just because its supose to be holy ground.
unless there are other reasons that Ive overlooked.

[Ryobi]

So you're an astrologist? That's why you wrote about Pluto. Simple and cute.

I doubt there's anything cute or simple about Pluto. It is the planet of regeneration and in a sense, being 'reborn from the ashes' but yeh, I do study astrology, only an amateur really as I've never set foot in a class or had my chart read professionally. 

Wondering if ravinclaw is using this thread to rant about the stupidity of organised religions fighting or in order to actually find links?

[Devinoir]

As far as it goes it sure seems that way.
BTW the FACT is simple and cute, not Pluto.

[Ryobi]

Ah! I understand! The world makes sense again.

Danke.

[ravinclaw]

The intentioun to begin with Ryobi, was to find links, but I guess both to be honest.

It just pisses me off how some people can call another group of people wrong, when they wont even look into their beliefs, not even a little bit.
know what I mean?