[onishadowolf]

Would it be possible for a spirit with enough willpower and energy, to manifest/incarnate itself phsyically into the corpeal world? Indefinitely? 

[Ryobi]

Well technically, he would be passing between the 2 realms and that would seem perfectly possible. Whether the spirit would take human form is another matter entirely.

Maybe another interesting question would be; when we see a ghost are we percieving a being outside of the corporeal world, or is this the physical body of a spirit who has passed into the corporeal realm?

[Angelus]

To be honest Ryobi, what would be the difference. Or do you mean is it a ghost as we assume it to be or is it a creature of the non-corporeal world that never was a person? As for bringing itself to the corporeal world oni, you mean making itself corporeal again? Like a solid ghost? As far as I understand it takes a lot of energy for a ghost just to be seen or heard so manifesting itself as a solid being could be possibe but I doubt indefinitely.

[Ryobi]

To be honest Ryobi, what would be the difference. Or do you mean is it a ghost as we assume it to be or is it a creature of the non-corporeal world that never was a person? As for bringing itself to the corporeal world oni, you mean making itself corporeal again? Like a solid ghost? As far as I understand it takes a lot of energy for a ghost just to be seen or heard so manifesting itself as a solid being could be possibe but I doubt indefinitely.

Well if all ghosts are simply spirits who passed into the corporeal world, then 'the sight' would be obsolete. If mediums can see ghosts as the people they were instead of seeing into the non-corporeal realm, then that would drastically change the limitations of that gift.

[onishadowolf]

Yes, the making itself solid. I think it can be done, and has been done by a handful. But can it be considered human still?

That is a very interesting theory Ryobi.

[Angelus]

Right. I understand. I think as a spirit (deceased human), if you have the ability to change your non-corporeal form, which most asume you can, you may, subconciously, take on a familiar form out of habit. If you are used to having two arms and two legs and such you may just be in that form. The reason some ghosts look all freaky and stuff could be the stress and confussion of how they died has made them take that form. Like some form of post-mortem stress maybe. Its a very fascinating thought. As for the whole becoming solid thing, I think it would be possible for a short time and some ghosts have probably done it. Like the old hitchiking ghost story of urban mythology. They physicaly open the car door and in some versions give a thank-you kiss to the good samaritan. So yeah, physical manifestation would be possible. As for being considered human..... No. I dont think so. It still has the ability to return to the incorporeal state it was in and a butt load of other supernatural abilities.... and oh yeah, they are dead. Probably dont leave DNA behind when touching, if cut with a knife could choose for the wound to heal or for the weapon to pass through. Thats not human. The body wouldnt be made of real flesh and bone but energy that is being held in that form by sheer force of will so it would not age unless the spirit decides to make it and would be effectively "unimmortal". I choose this word as it cannot be killed by man, disease or age but could "die" (well, go to the spirit world anyway) if it decided to. And what is already dead cannot truely live, so cannot truely die, so cannot be truelly immortal. Man Ive just raised more questions than answers................ Bloody hell.

[onishadowolf]

Let's say for instance, it takes a form that constantly draws energy to stay solid. Would that break any natural laws?

The old hitch hiker stories were my inspiration for this topic.

[Angelus]

The idea of ghosts breaks all natural laws. What is dead should be gone. Thats nature. I dont think it would break any spiritual laws or ideas though. It is thought that ghosts draw there energy from the living things around them. So hypothetically the spirit could either draw energy from a large group of close living things or if strong enough could possibly draw it from millions of people from a distance but that would be one hell of a powerful spirit. Like a full on reality altering, most probably driven insane by its own power, uber spirit.

[onishadowolf]

Ok, not just people, other sources too.
Maybe it goes insane, maybe it doesn't. So would it be safe to assume this has been accompished already? Angels, and other spirits, human or not.

[Kadesh]

 I'm a little confused by one statement that Ryobi made... "If mediums can see ghosts as the people they were instead of seeing into the non-corporeal realm, then that would drastically change the limitations of that gift."  Now, I don't know that anyone would call me a medium, but I can see ghosts, or spirits, whatever you want to call them. And I see them as they were before death.. not as they are after. They look perfect and whole to me... other than being slightly see-thru. Am I missing the point here??

 As for making themselves totally solid... I think it's possible, but I can't fathom exactly how. I assume that they would draw energy from the world around them to accomplish this, but I also think it may depend on the person. Wouldn't they have to have some sort of gift or sight that makes them susceptible to this?

[onishadowolf]

Yeah, I didn't quite follow that one ethier.

Not really any special gifts, just knowledge and acceptence of thier state. And a badass willpower. 

[Kadesh]

 No, I didn't really mean special gifts. Just an openness, a willingness to see. Or possibly just someone who is extremely susceptible to spirit tricks and/or activity.

[onishadowolf]

Wait, the medium or spirit? Because I speaking of the spirit. Which you just said the same I said, but worded differently.

[Kadesh]

 I'm referring to the person that sees the spirit. As in your example of the hitch-hiker stories. The person that sees and picks up the spirit would have to be one of the things I mentioned.

[onishadowolf]

Of course.